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DeletedUser51786

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So you accuse us of it based on one case (a case which you actually presented biased evidence for), when it was an actual respecialisation, and ignore the fact that your own teammates are doing it without any purpose except to gain BP. I love your hypocrisy.



I'd say that it is disappointing that MGGA/Turtles players are not willing to prevent a teammate from getting farmed by a smaller enemy player. ("Some" in this case means almost 10k points lost from the target city. :p)


Once more: you refused to accept the definition when it was applied to you and your teammates (it would actually apply to both you and Shaz at the moment), but say we must accept it while you don't?


So basically, your strategy involves mocking Noobs as simmers, while using any possible strategy and excuse to avoid actually having a proper fight with them and prove your claims. Bravo!

Like your leader said Noobs can clear anything, so instead of complaining about a Stacked city why dont you man up and hit the city I do it all the time, yea I lose my troops but atleast they are not sitting in my harbor doing anything right hahahahaha for example when I ran into xxsjjxx DLU wall I lost my OLU but guess what in 1 day I was fully rebuilt so what are you trying to say Kal again you have not answered question, you claim at that time your statement was pointed at both me and deus but let me tell you something little man when you post a statement make sure it does apply to your own players also, because at this time you are looking like the biggest idiot ever not only you tried to call us out you blatantly not to your know insulted the majority of your own alliance hahahahahaha.
 

DeletedUser51786

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No one can deny that Kal has some very good counter arguments

Notmad again Kal have dug himself into a hole, he was comparing me and dues at that time little did he know he also insulted his own members technically also hahahahaha, he is a little man that does not know when to use information
 

DeletedUser54702

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So you accuse us of it based on one case (a case which you actually presented biased evidence for), when it was an actual respecialisation, and ignore the fact that your own teammates are doing it without any purpose except to gain BP. I love your hypocrisy.



I'd say that it is disappointing that MGGA/Turtles players are not willing to prevent a teammate from getting farmed by a smaller enemy player. ("Some" in this case means almost 10k points lost from the target city. :p)


Once more: you refused to accept the definition when it was applied to you and your teammates (it would actually apply to both you and Shaz at the moment), but say we must accept it while you don't?


So basically, your strategy involves mocking Noobs as simmers, while using any possible strategy and excuse to avoid actually having a proper fight with them and prove your claims. Bravo!

Again counterpoints to your gibberish:

-Oh we have very clear evidence. Very clear indeed. All one has to do is check the thread where you can see clearly with your own 2 eyes that hainamiis killed his own troops, fts, ls, birs, anything he could find within reach to get that sweet 1 million BP
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You however have no proof of our players killing troops for BP, except speculation to try and dstract that we caught your #1 player killing over a million BP of troops!

We had over 500 reports showing him killing his own stuff, and i clearly say in the thread we aren't going to post them all, as you are only allowed 10 images in a forum post.


-If that player PM's me and asks for help i will see to it that he gets support.


-Hahaha you were the one who made the arguement! So you aren't accepting your own argument?? You are very foolish indeed, i guess it hurts you to know 65% of your alliance are simmers according to your own definition.


-We mock you for not only being simmers, but BP cannibals as well. It is hilarious and pathetic at the same time how many in your alliance do this. Maybe if 65% percent of your alliance weren't simmers, you would be able to break DLU stacks, unfortunately it is the same 2 or 3 players from you noobs that attack us.
 

DeletedUser54702

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Like your leader said Noobs can clear anything, so instead of complaining about a Stacked city why dont you man up and hit the city I do it all the time, yea I lose my troops but atleast they are not sitting in my harbor doing anything right hahahahaha for example when I ran into xxsjjxx DLU wall I lost my OLU but guess what in 1 day I was fully rebuilt so what are you trying to say Kal again you have not answered question, you claim at that time your statement was pointed at both me and deus but let me tell you something little man when you post a statement make sure it does apply to your own players also, because at this time you are looking like the biggest idiot ever not only you tried to call us out you blatantly not to your know insulted the majority of your own alliance hahahahahaha.


I am sure it is very frustrating for you guys that shaz too is now trapping you in your own words.

Kal you should go ask your puppet master for some more advice on how to argue with people who know what they are doing. Because you really aren't good at it
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DeletedUser54495

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You guys literally just repeat the same information over and over in hope the other person finally listens to you

They won't
 

DeletedUser54192

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Like your leader said Noobs can clear anything, so instead of complaining about a Stacked city why dont you man up and hit the city I do it all the time, yea I lose my troops but atleast they are not sitting in my harbor doing anything right hahahahaha for example when I ran into xxsjjxx DLU wall I lost my OLU but guess what in 1 day I was fully rebuilt so what are you trying to say Kal again you have not answered question, you claim at that time your statement was pointed at both me and deus but let me tell you something little man when you post a statement make sure it does apply to your own players also, because at this time you are looking like the biggest idiot ever not only you tried to call us out you blatantly not to your know insulted the majority of your own alliance hahahahahaha.
Let's get a few things straight:
- I have thrown my troops at DLU stacks so long as they aren't ridiculous. (Almost 2000 FTS to defend a city against a single revolt by a supposedly useless player is probably a little bit of an overreaction.)
- My point was that if we do run into those DLU stacks, Deus will emphasise losses rather than admit that we are doing more attacking than MGGA/Turtles are.
- At the time when I made the statement (quite a while ago, actually), both MGGA and Noobs had plenty of decent opportunities to get BP. I actually accepted at the time that some of my team weren't fighting as much as they could be, I believe. Now, with the wars unfortunately quietening down and most of MGGA hiding and refusing to attack, I haven't been touting that same assessment around.
- While you accuse me of not answering questions, you seem very keen to avoid admitting that the same definition would make you, a self proclaimed legend, a simmer, if applied.
 

DeletedUser51786

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Let's get a few things straight:
- I have thrown my troops at DLU stacks so long as they aren't ridiculous. (Almost 2000 FTS to defend a city against a single revolt by a supposedly useless player is probably a little bit of an overreaction.)
- My point was that if we do run into those DLU stacks, Deus will emphasise losses rather than admit that we are doing more attacking than MGGA/Turtles are.
- At the time when I made the statement (quite a while ago, actually), both MGGA and Noobs had plenty of decent opportunities to get BP. I actually accepted at the time that some of my team weren't fighting as much as they could be, I believe. Now, with the wars unfortunately quietening down and most of MGGA hiding and refusing to attack, I haven't been touting that same assessment around.
- While you accuse me of not answering questions, you seem very keen to avoid admitting that the same definition would make you, a self proclaimed legend, a simmer, if applied.

Like I said call me what you want weather be a simmer or a legend, but if you look at my profile you will see quite a few big names of the players I have evicted so if I am simming I am doing one hell of a job simming and taking enemies cities, I hope that answer your question!!!!

Thank you for agreeing that your players are simmers and not fighting hahahaha

"At the time when I made the statement (quite a while ago, actually), both MGGA and Noobs had plenty of decent opportunities to get BP. I actually accepted at the time that some of my team weren't fighting as much as they could be"


Let me tell you whats going to happen you are going to get a message from the puppet master informing you that you said too much, and that you need to be careful what your saying, and your response going to be please Thizzle I am sorry please Thizzle hahahahahahaha
 

DeletedUser54537

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Like I said call me what you want weather be a simmer or a legend, but if you look at my profile you will see quite a few big names of the players I have evicted so if I am simming I am doing one hell of a job simming and taking enemies cities, I hope that answer your question!!!!

I just checked and I see no big names, only good players who were outnumbered 5 to 1
 

DeletedUser51786

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I just checked and I see no big names, only good players who were outnumbered 5 to 1

It has the same meaning big names/good players I just phrase it differently what are you trying to do Notmad it means the same this does not invloves you can you please stop getting involved and stay out of this, you have no grounds here and it will be a losing battle for you.

Weather or not didn't you too helped me in taking one of 20bucks city so what are you trying to do when you were involved hahahahaha like I said it does not involved you.

Also last I check this is a team game and not a one on one game right correct!!! And I am just refreshing Kal as me being a simmer and I am got at it and taking enemy cities also right.
 

DeletedUser54192

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-Oh we have very clear evidence. Very clear indeed. All one has to do is check the thread where you can see clearly with your own 2 eyes that hainamiis killed his own troops, fts, ls, birs, anything he could find within reach to get that sweet 1 million BP
You intentionally avoided even mentioning various reports where Hainamiis withdrew large numbers of transports, instead claiming that he killed them. You also keep ignoring the fact that we presented evidence that ErikW is cannibalising troops on a much larger scale, with no purpose other than for BP, and the fact that BP-farming is used as the main form of ABP by some in MGGA, such as Maxi.

You however have no proof of our players killing troops for BP, except speculation to try and dstract that we caught your #1 player killing over a million BP of troops!

We provided evidence of Turtle's leader cannibalising on a ridiculous scale, with no aim other than gaining BP. I don't notice you calling him out.

-If that player PM's me and asks for help i will see to it that he gets support.

You mean he's stopped posting the regular revolts he keeps getting in that city? Or just that they were posted and you didn't notice the continuous revolts on the forum?

-Hahaha you were the one who made the arguement! So you aren't accepting your own argument?? You are very foolish indeed, i guess it hurts you to know 65% of your alliance are simmers according to your own definition.
At the time I was making the argument, I accepted it. Now, when MGGA are hiding under the excuse of "strategy", you bring it out and apply it to us while still avoiding admitting that it has applied to your players for a lot longer.

-We mock you for not only being simmers, but BP cannibals as well. It is hilarious and pathetic at the same time how many in your alliance do this. Maybe if 65% percent of your alliance weren't simmers, you would be able to break DLU stacks, unfortunately it is the same 2 or 3 players from you noobs that attack us.
Hmmm. You have 1 set of evidence (that you posted only favourable parts of) that 1 player was gaining a considerable amount of BP, on 1 occasion. You then attempt to apply it to the entire alliance. I could do exactly the same thing and say that your entire alliance uses spies, but I am sure you would argue that it didn't work that way.
 

DeletedUser54537

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It has the same meaning big names/good players I just phrase it differently what are you trying to do Notmad it means the same this does not invloves you can you please stop getting involved and stay out of this, you have no grounds here and it will be a losing battle for you.

Weather or not didn't you too helped me in taking one of 20bucks city so what are you trying to do when you were involved hahahahaha like I said it does not involved you.

Also last I check this is a team game and not a one on one game right correct!!! And I am just refreshing Kal as me being a simmer and I am got at it and taking enemy cities also right.

You took those cities when your alliance was much bigger, any player no matter how good can not win a 5v1 with players his size who play quite well
 

DeletedUser54192

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I am sure it is very frustrating for you guys that shaz too is now trapping you in your own words.
Would this be the same Shaz who is a proven liar, and just managed to trap himself in his own words by claiming that Notmad is not involved in a debate which includes events that Notmad was involved in?

Weather or not didn't you too helped me in taking one of 20bucks city so what are you trying to do when you were involved hahahahaha like I said it does not involved you
 

DeletedUser51786

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You intentionally avoided even mentioning various reports where Hainamiis withdrew large numbers of transports, instead claiming that he killed them. You also keep ignoring the fact that we presented evidence that ErikW is cannibalising troops on a much larger scale, with no purpose other than for BP, and the fact that BP-farming is used as the main form of ABP by some in MGGA, such as Maxi.



We provided evidence of Turtle's leader cannibalising on a ridiculous scale, with no aim other than gaining BP. I don't notice you calling him out.



You mean he's stopped posting the regular revolts he keeps getting in that city? Or just that they were posted and you didn't notice the continuous revolts on the forum?


At the time I was making the argument, I accepted it. Now, when MGGA are hiding under the excuse of "strategy", you bring it out and apply it to us while still avoiding admitting that it has applied to your players for a lot longer.


Hmmm. You have 1 set of evidence (that you posted only favourable parts of) that 1 player was gaining a considerable amount of BP, on 1 occasion. You then attempt to apply it to the entire alliance. I could do exactly the same thing and say that your entire alliance uses spies, but I am sure you would argue that it didn't work that way.

You are getting boring about spies and etc, you have nothing Kal, you have nothing what ever ErikW does it does not affects us as the difference is ErikW is in Turtle for Hire which is clearly a separate alliance from us, Haina is in your alliance which you/leaders have total control of or is it the other way around, coming from the grape vine Noobs are bending their backs to tolerate what a player do, as this player is their savior heck if we had one player like that we too would be on that level, Unfortunately MGGA have many great players so we dont need to stoop on Noobs level.

As for spies please direct all hate towards me hahahahahha dont involves other players so when you say MGGA just call my name shaz and not MGGA.

Also have some respect for ErikW you call his name not knowing the guy, your puppet master instills all these negative comments about other players to you all and as sponges you all absorbs it, ErikW is a definition of a Legend if you look in the grepo dictionary and you look up Legend ErikW name will pop up.
 

DeletedUser51786

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You took those cities when your alliance was much bigger, any player no matter how good can not win a 5v1 with players his size who play quite well

You have not answered my question didn't you too helped in taking one city so what BS your saying, dont make yourself an idiot when you too was part of big alliance
 

DeletedUser54537

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You are getting boring about spies and etc, you have nothing Kal, you have nothing what ever ErikW does it does not affects us as the difference is ErikW is in Turtle for Hire which is clearly a separate alliance from us, Haina is in your alliance which you/leaders have total control of or is it the other way around, coming from the grape vine Noobs are bending their backs to tolerate what a player do, as this player is their savior heck if we had one player like that we too would be on that level, Unfortunately MGGA have many great players so we dont need to stoop on Noobs level.

As for spies please direct all hate towards me hahahahahha dont involves other players so when you say MGGA just call my name shaz and not MGGA.

Also have some respect for ErikW you call his name not knowing the guy, your puppet master instills all these negative comments about other players to you all and as sponges you all absorbs it, ErikW is a definition of a Legend if you look in the grepo dictionary and you look up Legend ErikW name will pop up.

Haha, I have played with Erik before, yes he is good but he has cannibalized here in Pags, we have proof. So if the person you call a legend can cannibalize without you condemning it why can't we?
 

DeletedUser51786

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Would this be the same Shaz who is a proven liar, and just managed to trap himself in his own words by claiming that Notmad is not involved in a debate which includes events that Notmad was involved in?

Hahahaha listen to yourself you have nothing OMG MDMC you really have nothing, you are burnt out and don't have anything to say WOW hahahahaha
 
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DeletedUser54537

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You have not answered my question didn't you too helped in taking one city so what BS your saying, dont make yourself an idiot when you too was part of big alliance
Yes I helped you take that city, that's my whole point. Those players you so called evicted, you did not take those cities alone, please come back to me when you take a city alone like a big boy
 

DeletedUser54192

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You are getting boring about spies and etc, you have nothing Kal, you have nothing what ever ErikW does it does not affects us as the difference is ErikW is in Turtle for Hire which is clearly a separate alliance from us, Haina is in your alliance which you/leaders have total control of or is it the other way around, coming from the grape vine Noobs are bending their backs to tolerate what a player do, as this player is their savior heck if we had one player like that we too would be on that level, Unfortunately MGGA have many great players so we dont need to stoop on Noobs level.

As for spies please direct all hate towards me hahahahahha dont involves other players so when you say MGGA just call my name shaz and not MGGA.

Also have some respect for ErikW you call his name not knowing the guy, your puppet master instills all these negative comments about other players to you all and as sponges you all absorbs it, ErikW is a definition of a Legend if you look in the grepo dictionary and you look up Legend ErikW name will pop up.
Hmmm. You admitted to being a spy/using spies (which we already knew and presented evidence of). The spy part was relevant to the debate, as Deus said that because 1 player got lots of BP by killing troops in one case, it applies permanently to all members of Noobs. So by the same argument, I could say that because you used spies and you are in MGGA, all of MGGA always uses spies.

Why should I have respect for Erik? I've seen the bragging profile, I've seen the forum posts, I have heard about the wins via hugging half the server (including the server where he ditched a large number of his teammates without giving them the crowns he had promised to them), and I have seen the suspiciously perfect timing with 21 attacks on a target on the same second. He might be a strong player, but that doesn't mean I have to respect him.
 

DeletedUser51786

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Haha, I have played with Erik before, yes he is good but he has cannibalized here in Pags, we have proof. So if the person you call a legend can cannibalize without you condemning it why can't we?

Like I said in my statement what ErikW does it does not involves us, why can't you understand that Erik is in a different alliance, your players however killed tons and tons of nukes to get 1 million BP
 

DeletedUser54702

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You intentionally avoided even mentioning various reports where Hainamiis withdrew large numbers of transports, instead claiming that he killed them. You also keep ignoring the fact that we presented evidence that ErikW is cannibalising troops on a much larger scale, with no purpose other than for BP, and the fact that BP-farming is used as the main form of ABP by some in MGGA, such as Maxi.

Again caught in a lie. I did show those reports, and you can see he withdrew... wait for it!.... a little over 100 fts out of 2000+
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You however do not have 1 shred of proof of MGGA players killing their own troops for BP. Is ErikW in MGGA? Is he? Last time i checked he is in turtles. So how does that compare? A turtles member may have done it, so it means MGGA does it? You are like CNN, fake news.

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You mean he's stopped posting the regular revolts he keeps getting in that city? Or just that they were posted and you didn't notice the continuous revolts on the forum?

I doubt he is posting them, as someone would have sent him support by now. Again if he wants to pm me for help, i will see to it he gets help.



At the time I was making the argument, I accepted it. Now, when MGGA are hiding under the excuse of "strategy", you bring it out and apply it to us while still avoiding admitting that it has applied to your players for a lot longer.

If you make the argument, inherently it applies to your own players. We can deny it if you make the argument towards us, but if you make the argument and your own players are shown to be falling under the exact same definition of simming then it clearly applies to you.

How can you say that an argument you made doesn't apply to yourself?? Again sounding like CNN, fake news.

It seems to me like the only reason you aren't using that argument anymore is because your own alliance now would be hurt by it
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Hmmm. You have 1 set of evidence (that you posted only favourable parts of) that 1 player was gaining a considerable amount of BP, on 1 occasion. You then attempt to apply it to the entire alliance. I could do exactly the same thing and say that your entire alliance uses spies, but I am sure you would argue that it didn't work that way.

And you have no evidence. So what is that 1-0? Hmm? You are attempting to take evidence of someone killing their own troops who isn't even in MGGA, and say MGGA does it? You are pitiful hahah
 
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