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The cells were already alive to begin with. They were just not a separate organism yet. An abortion is killing something that is alive, but not yet a separate organism.
That wasn't what I was saying you were agreeing with but whatever.
Again we are saying you are killing the potienal for life which is equivalent to murder. See first post for explanation.
I understand what you're saying, don't worry. I simply don't agree. I do not think killing the potential for life is equivalent to murder. If we had to deal with all the potentials in the world, we'd be very busy people. Just because it has the potential, doesn't mean it is - and if it's not, .. well. I think you understand where I'm coming from. Go ahead and disagree with me again, but that's precisely my point. This will go back and forth until the end of times.
this is simple
a cow has more cognative ability than a fetus it feels pain and is often aware its about to be slaughterd
is that murder ?
no
as for the definition of murder i think Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse.
i see religion trying to do all sorts of horrific things foisting its perverse morality on others
you only have to look at the horrific stories that come from Ireland to see how this story ends its a bit like apartheid in South Africa. Change was slow and the abuse was epic
Again, not focusing on the logic at all. I mean, it's fine if you can't. Really, it is. But please stop having a broken-record-like response to everything as potential life != life when the argument was, at the very core, equating those two with logic.
this is simple
a cow has more cognative ability than a fetus it feels pain and is often aware its about to be slaughterd
is that murder ?
no
as for the definition of murder i think Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse.
Yes, but a cow is fully developed. A fetus can't see and does not know what is happening to it.
yeah because it's not a human. As you will state below that is the definition of murder. The fetus has the potienal for human life (see pebbles first post)this is simple
a cow has more cognative ability than a fetus it feels pain and is often aware its about to be slaughterd
is that murder ?
no
what? When has anyone cited anything religious here. Also even if they did that "perverse morality" you were speaking of in this case is "don't take human life" which I think most people would agree is decent moral.as for the definition of murder i think Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse.
i see religion trying to do all sorts of horrific things foisting its perverse morality on others
Again what? We get it you think religion is the source of all evil in the world but no one is talking about religion here.you only have to look at the horrific stories that come from Ireland to see how this story ends its a bit like apartheid in South Africa. Change was slow and the abuse was epic
we humans love to have our double standards one life form we kill and eat the other hardly alive we commit atrocities to protect
i never said a word about potential life
i stated if life is so precious then how come we can kill entities far more sentiant in the trillions without remorse yet a few cells that would not survive if spued from the mother host are murder.
problem is the same in all these debate you christians post you want to define them by your rules to rig the outcome.
your a very cleaver guy pebs i respect that and you but you cant argue that these debates are mostly herded in a direction due to the language you use.
is a fetus a person a human being ?
should it be defined as more than it is ?
why do humans have more rights than other life forms is that fair ?
what are the rights of the host, do they lose all rights after conception ?
should religion have any sway in law ?
then why are you here?i never said a word about potential life
those animals are not humans that's why. Also humans are kind of horrible.I stated if life is so precious then how come we can kill entities far more sentiant in the trillions without remorse yet a few cells that would not survive if spued from the mother host are murder.
first off way to stereotype. Second pebble didn't rig this debate. He presented logic, asked for disprovals, and got nothing. That's on you guys trying to argue against him.problem is the same in all these debate you christians post you want to define them by your rules to rig the outcome.
that's how debates workyour a very cleaver guy pebs i respect that and you but you cant argue that these debates are mostly herded in a direction due to the language you use.
yeah because it's not a human. As you will state below that is the definition of murder. The fetus has the potienal for human life (see pebbles first post)
what? When has anyone cited anything religious here. Also even if they did that "perverse morality" you were speaking of in this case is "don't take human life" which I think most people would agree is decent moral.
Again what? We get it you think religion is the source of all evil in the world but no one is talking about religion here.
as for this debate being relgious your correct its not stated as such but that does not meen its not subliminaly about christian agendas
There are laws saying livestock may only be slain in a humane manner. It is illegal to cause undue excitement or discomfort of these animals. So they aren't being killed with an axe or something else that would scare them. Also... Animals kill plants. Is it wrong? No. The plants know they are being harmed and can't do anything to stop it. Killing ones own species is murder. That means killing a fetus is murder.
Again this is just plain ignorant, people can have opinions against abortion without having to be tied down by religion
Again this is just plain ignorant, people can have opinions against abortion without having to be tied down by religion