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took the words out of my mouth
Wait now you're agreeing with a post I made in which you -reped me for saying sarcastically how respectful it was?
took the words out of my mouth
I'll limit my rebuttal to abortion in case of rape.
I've been browsing through these pages, and I think I can conclude none of you is a woman who would suffer from an unwanted pregnancy. If I'm wrong, please let me know who the female is. I love how some of you think being pregnant is a walk in the park ("why not just have the baby, she can put it up for adoption!") while it's quite taxing on her body, completely putting aside the obvious emotional burden on the woman if the child wasn't wanted, feeling no love for it, hating that it's growing inside them. Do you have any idea how traumatizing that is? So if she decides to abortion, another invasive procedure, don't you agree that's entirely HER decision?
this is simple
a cow has more cognative ability than a fetus it feels pain and is often aware its about to be slaughterd
is that murder ?
no
is a fetus a person a human being ?
should it be defined as more than it is ?
why do humans have more rights than other life forms is that fair ?
what are the rights of the host, do they lose all rights after conception ?
Also your premise of this being an argument for Christian ideals is terribly ignorant, I have argued that abortion is murder throughout this thread yet am not a religious person in the least.
for the record im pro abortion
and thankfully sanity agrees with me in my country. greater minds than ours debated it and saw sence enough to make it law
Considering how many abortions and pregnancies there have been in my family, I know how traumatizing it is for people to learn that future family member is gone. How many cousins and second cousins were gone, number of cousins could probably be double. Imagine the trauma of telling your kids that you had an abortion because you didn't feel like taking care of it. They have feelings too, and losing a sibling hurts. Is even worse if you learned that there exit from the world was because your parents planned it that way.
What about when you have to many abortions that when you want a kid you are no longer able to? That has happened, and now cousins of my parents can't have kids and start families like they want to because of the choice the woman made in the past. I remember my mom telling me how sick one of my aunts was after she had an abortion at 17, aren't those things taxing on the body? Or the burden of being forced to go to abortion by someone else and then living with that for the rest of your life?
Recently received this objection:
There stands an objection to stating that knowing the potential consequences of an action, yet doing the action anyway makes the individual responsible for the consequences should they occur.
They propose a situation of a car which I know has the astronomical possibility of the breaks failing. Should the breaks fail, I was aware of the consequence of brake failure and therefore am responsible for the consequences that result from the brakes failing – following my reasoning.
The issue comes about that I am placing too much blame on the individual. The problem with this objection is that some scenarios are compared to the other without the situations being parallel.
My reply: if things which natural occurrence are impeded in order to avoid a consequence, yet the consequence still comes about, the individual, if knowing the possibility of the consequence, is responsible for the consequence.
As it is not a natural occurrence for the car’s breaks to fail, I cannot be obligated to be responsible for those consequences. However, if having sex, and I am impeding the natural result of sex, which is impregnation, and were impregnation to still occur, I am responsible for the consequence.
Abortion is murder just as much as the death penalty. And the fact that such a penalty is deliberated by a jury, just makes it so much worse.
Murder ,according to experts C. Bieker and E. Hernandez, is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought. This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter. In some U.S. states, laws regarding murder are determined by the Model Penal Code. - Wikipedia
"Without justification or valid excuse" - this one is debatable, it may apply here, depending on whether you consider it possible to have a valid excuse or not.
"unlawful killing of another person with malice afterthought" - definitely not.
In most states abortion is legal, and how many women relish the idea? Surely not that many.
I must ask when is a fetus choosing death? I mean, forcing people to never experience life at all because of YOU not wanting them, that is wrong.But my question is therefore this: who gave us the right to decide on someone else's life or death? What makes us a better judge than them?
I am fully aware that this is a double-edged sword, that I am also questioning the right to choose of the parents in the case of abortion...
We don't have the right to decided anything for them. Hence why I would say let the fetus live. Doing anything else is interfering with the fetus' "choice". Idk if that would qualify as choice but it's fair to assume it is.But my question is therefore this: who gave us the right to decide on someone else's life or death? What makes us a better judge than them?
What you're saying is contradicting what you've already said: that any life is better than none.
In that alone, you are judging those who wish to end their own lives. Yet you say that we don't have the right to do so.