Top 12 Alliances of Zancle

balerion205

Hipparchus
I'd like to take back my earlier response. While there is still lots of enmity between me and PE, max is right. It is just a game.

Seeing as my city has under an hour to go in siege as of this post, I'd like to congratulate Count Davryll on a well-run siege and wish him if not good luck, then at least a good fight in the future

Although try explaning this to me, max. Why are you so dang hung up on my leaving? I did what I had to do. PE is not gonna make a miraculous come-back from the rim, and surviving is what Grepolis is really all about. Why not be just as bitter about Smarticus2, Godly Dratang, or anyone of a dozen players that left? You don't have to answer, but I'd like a reply to this.
 

maxilex

Hipparchus
Although try explaning this to me, max. Why are you so dang hung up on my leaving? I did what I had to do. PE is not gonna make a miraculous come-back from the rim, and surviving is what Grepolis is really all about. Why not be just as bitter about Smarticus2, Godly Dratang, or anyone of a dozen players that left? You don't have to answer, but I'd like a reply to this.
mm..that needs some unravelling..there is no bitterness..lets start there. I am also not hung up on you leaving, as you point out, until now, no one has particularly bothered with you. In fact, we could not care much about you at all. The single thing that gets you any attention is your taunting emails right after you left. They made us laugh mostly - and that is where you are. You made yourself a figure of derision, and you are therefore being derided..enjoy it.
 

balerion205

Hipparchus
I'll give you the bit about the emails. that was low of me. Sorry about all of that and maybe we can start over. Nice to meet you, maxilex. I'm balerion205
 

Thoria

Phrourach
Yeah, I've picked my ground and I'm holding it. You guys can still go away and die in a hole. this siege you've got now is gonna break and there will be hell to pay for it. I know it's not my quote, but I'll be "seeing you at the end of my spears."
Seeing as my city has under an hour to go in siege as of this post, I'd like to congratulate Count Davryll on a well-run siege and wish him if not good luck, then at least a good fight in the future
posting for the lulz
 

balerion205

Hipparchus
I'll give you that. Everyone loves a good lol, right? Still, one person's victory is someone else's crushing and humiliating defeat.
 

sha2000

Guest
Or if you stopped pacting with everything with a pulse.

No need to be mean about Hydra, despite my lack of enthusiasm for them, they have some very good players, who I doubt you'd last a day against if they bothered to attack you.
Well I guess we'll never know since they don't bother attacking anyone but our inactives
 

Bee12

Chiliarch
Well I guess we'll never know since they don't bother attacking anyone but our inactives
Nothing wrong with attacking inactives...in fact I can think of several players in the Top 20 or so who only attack inactives and I'd love to see you try and land a CS on them :)
 

sha2000

Guest
Nothing wrong with attacking inactives...in fact I can think of several players in the Top 20 or so who only attack inactives and I'd love to see you try and land a CS on them :)
That's true, we have a guy like that, nice guy, but if you're at war shouldn't you be trying to expand your alliance's horizons and not just your own points?
 

Bee12

Chiliarch
That's true, we have a guy like that, nice guy, but if you're at war shouldn't you be trying to expand your alliance's horizons and not just your own points?
If you're taking the inactives cities, or clearing so a smaller player, who doesn't have the troop count to clear solo, can CS it then it isn't really an issue.

Personally I'd rather some players did it like that than lost slinger/horse nukes CSing players that are active and not having timed in their supports properly...at least with an inactive 9/10 losses are minimal :)
 

sha2000

Guest
If you're taking the inactives cities, or clearing so a smaller player, who doesn't have the troop count to clear solo, can CS it then it isn't really an issue.

Personally I'd rather some players did it like that than lost slinger/horse nukes CSing players that are active and not having timed in their supports properly...at least with an inactive 9/10 losses are minimal :)
To each's own I suppose
 

balerion205

Hipparchus
I feed mostly on inactives myself, but I can also see the problem with that. Eat too many inactives, and you loose your focus on the enemy and get overwhelmed. Don't eat enough or don't internalize completely, and the other guys gain from your loss. Everybody has their own particular way of doing things, right?

Btw, what's y'all's opinion on wall lvl's for seige's?
 

Arowyn

Guest
Time for a top 12.... my first ever one, so you can crucify me if ya like... I will just go back to being a happy lurker who occasionally pops up on the forums ;)
I am not connected with any of the top alliances, so this is an objective viewpoint purely based on previous server experiences.... apologies if I get any "facts" wrong, feel free to correct me!

1. Imperial Order, 26 million pts
Average points: 162000 pts
ABP rank 1
DBP rank: 1

On paper they look strong... rank 1 for everything. They have some very good players, no denying that, and their core remains very strong. However have they peaked too soon? My experience is "rank 1" doesn't mean "the best", it means the bullseye is now on you and you are the alliance all the others go to war against. They are fighting Triad (42-148), DF (4-62) and Hydra (109 - 25)... and to my knowledge their only top 5 ally is Prometheus. The heavy losses against Triad and DF can partly be explained by recruitment choices, leaving many vulnerable cities a distance from their core.... but what effect will this have on overall alliance morale?? Is war against all of the other top 4 alliances sustainable long term? Time will tell. Their future success largely depends on diplomacy / strategic calls... merge with Prometheus would still leave them in a strong position.
FLOAT

2. Triad, 21 million pts
Average 224000 pts
ABP rank 2
DBP rank 3

The strongest team on the server from the very beginning, with the highest player average - they have been fighting wars on multiple fronts since the very start and are yet to be truly challenged. Very strong contenders to win the server, and I imagine they intend to win it all by themselves.... which would be a very impressive achievement. However, will it be a case of "the tortoise and the hare"... and will overconfidence be their downfall on a server they believe is theirs to lose? They are doing very well against IO... but consequently allowing DF to go from strength to strength. At what point do they turn their attention to DF? Triad vs DF is inevitable at some point.... and will be epic.
SWIM

3. Hydra, 17 mill pts
Average: 156000 pts
ABP rank 3
DBP rank 2

Hydra started very strongly, but have had a tough time of it over the summer. Fighting wars on multiple fronts, they have been significantly down against both IO and Prom. However their core remains strong with some decent players, and they are pacted with Triad, so that's one less major war they don't have to worry about. They have some solid pacts, and it will be interesting to see if they can start to turn the tables now the war with Public Enemy has come to an end. They will be here to the end-game, but at present seem to be in the weakest position of the top 4.
FLOAT

4. Drunken Farmers, 16 million pts
Average: 138000 pts
ABP rank 5
DBP rank 6

This alliance continues to go from strength to strength - an extremely impressive rise up the rankings, and full credit to the leadership team for that, who seem strong, organised and know exactly what they are doing. They have emerged as very strong contenders to win this server, with a great location for WW. They have been very impressive against IO... although am guessing they are largely taking IO outliers away from IO's core (correct me if am wrong). ABP and DBP is not as high as I would expect, which tells me they are yet to be truly challenged. War with Triad is inevitable..... and will be make or break.
SWIM

5. Prometheus, 14 million points
Average: 90 000 pts
ABP rank 4
DBP rank 5

I know very little about these guys, they have always been solid in the rankings since the start. They continue to have satisfactory ABP / DBP for their ranking. They are doing well against both Hydra and ED (and whatever other minor wars they are fighting), though are otherwise not involved in any other major wars. I cannot see them winning this server by themselves, but a IO / Prom eventual merge would put them in a strong position... if that is the long-term plan.
FLOAT

6. Rhinovirus 10 million points
Average 74000 pts
ABP rank 8
DBP rank 10

Another alliance I don't know a huge amount about, they appear to have some good players and have been around awhile, but who are they actually fighting? The ABP / DBP rank tells its own story... they clearly are only fighting minor wars, and as earlier posts have said, they are "sitting on the fence" when it comes to the big alliances. Would they survive against the top 4? Unlikely, tho at present, luckily for them, the "big boys" are focused on each other. however I cannot see them surviving if they got involved in a major war, as they are yet to prove themselves.... but will be around for awhile yet
FLOAT then SINK

7. Avernus, 9 million pts
Average: 94000 pts
ABP rank 6
DBP rank 8

Doing Ok in their war against NF, and reasonably well against PB, tho they probably haven't had the success they expected themselves. They continue to have nice ABP for their size. Did they pick the "right" pact to drop? Time will tell.... Very strong pact with LoW, and they will be around awhile... but will be heavily reliant on a merge to stand any chance long-term. They would struggle fighting any of the top alliances, and future diplomatic choices will be absolutely key.
FLOAT

8. Nameless Faction, 9 million points
Average: 76 000 pts
ABP rank 7
DBP rank 7

My alliance, so wont say much. Very successful against PE, and have recovered from early losses against AV to 17-17 at last count, which pretty much completely sums up the NF vs AV / LoW war... an evenly matched contest. Making the right strategic calls here will be the difference between the 2 sides, and NF will only get stronger now that war with PE is over. However, just like AV, we aren't involved in any of the major wars of the top alliances, and future chances of winning the server very much depend on long-term diplomacy.
FLOAT

9. Don't Panic, 6 million pts
Average: 65000 pts
ABP rank 11
DBP rank 15

I know virtually nothing about this alliance. They don't have great fighting stats for their size, and like Rhinovirus don't seem to be involved in any major wars. Cant see them featuring much long-term if they got involved in a proper war.
SINK

10. Elements of Destruction, 5 million pts
Average: 51 000 pts
ABP rank 10
DBP rank 9

Out on the rim, they are now mainly fighting Prom with the recent collapse of PE, plus other minor alliances. Satisfactory ABP / DBP for their size, and they have solid pacts in place, so will be around awhile
FLOAT

11. Peaky Blinders, 2.8 million pts
Average 32 000 pts
ABP rank 12
DBP rank 11

Out on the rim, they declared war on Avernus as they had no one to fight... only to find that DF then dropped the pact against them. Fighting hard but heavy losses now against both DF and AV, sadly this can only go one way
SINK

12. League of Warriors 2.4 million points
Average: 53 000
ABP rank 18
DBP rank 21

Small alliance by choice out on the rim, they have a few very experienced fighters and are not to be underestimated. However their ABP / DBP rank is a lot lower than I thought, which shows they have not actually been doing a huge amount of fighting. They are working very closely with AV against NF, and will merge with Avernus at some point in the future... so see the write up above for AV.
FLOAT

This should get some discussion going anyway, am just being honest, simply my point of view!
Arowyn / Katala
 
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Bee12

Chiliarch
walls are great, even better with towers
Definitely. Especially when you're on a core or WW island.


In other news - this 'Top 12.' Referring to Triad/IO as 'The Tortoise and The Hare'...I just don't even have words. Although I must agree that the egos in Triad are just astonishing - surprised they can all fit in one Skype room to be honest.
 

Arowyn

Guest
"the tortoise and the hare" is actually in reference to all the other "slow burner" alliances who have been completely "dismissed" by the top 2 while they fight each other, believing this is simply a contest between themselves. Which it may be, but WW is still a long way off....

how often do rim alliances emerge as genuine contenders to win the server - or actually win through clever tactical play / merges / peaking at the right time just before WW... and catch out the original "frontrunners" who didn't think they stood a chance and completely ignored them? That is my point...
 

SH101

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Looking at Triad they seem to have had some experience in being the rim alliance coming out of nowhere to win so i'd be surprised if their leadership weren't aware of that possible outcome...

Bee, i've heard the girls are the worst in the Triad skype room...
 

regentrob

Guest
Don't really see Triad or IO taking their eye off the ball, i'm sure they have one eye on the DF who continue to grow. Best outcome for Triad here would be for DF to open hostilities with Avernus but don't see that happening somehow. There are some good players among the rim alliances and with the right combinations after merges and deadwood clearance maybe the potential for a couple of well-placed (geographically) crews to have a chance of influencing WW stage.

The south remains an interesting area and i'm sure will see some developments between now and 2016. We have Avernus/League of Warriors lined up against Nameless Faction/Syndicate/Peeky Blinders. The figures suggest that the two main alliances in this war Avernus and NF are in effect playing checkers with the "taken count" even. On closer examination though it suggests that although struggling at first Nameless now have the momentum and are now the stronger, more active, organised, and looking at the geographic map, the more strategically focused alliance. Unless Avernus can arrest their slide they will have problems containing.

Neither will be in a position to seriously trouble the WW stage though in their present forms, the one thing we know for sure is that Avernus and NF will never "remarry" leaving each to seek alternative prom dates if they are to attend the WW ball.

The logical match up seems to be Drunken Farmers and the best of Avernus, my guess is that Avernus will eventually join the Drunken Farmers if they can avoid being overcome by NF. Long term NF are already hoping to receive a dance invitation from Triad as plan A or failing that, to turn to nappers Hydra against Triad as plan B.

The competitive Northern Hood though is anybodies guess as to who will merge with who. The good thing is that the world remains an interesting one.
 

balerion205

Hipparchus
I'm just a middleman, but i don't think Hydra's gonna be turning against Triad anytime soon. We've already got our hands full with internals and asorbing PE's upper ranks.

Anyone know why this server has so many inactives? Great for simmers, crud for tactics.