Egypt: Criminal Coup or Saviour?

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Jorisva1 said:
The army recently shot on manifestants in Egypt after a military coup in Egypt. Were they in their right to shoot with life rounds on them? If yes, what would be the 'requirements' to reach this 'permission' in matter of speaking...and if no, when does the army have permission?
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As I'm sure the majority of you are aware, the Egyptian military has 'stepped in' to remove the ex-democratic government. What are your thoughts on this? Are they keeping order, or hindering progress? Does the military have the right to remove a government? Was this for the people or were there ulterior motives?

Where should the rest of the world stand on this? Should the US revoke their aid that the Egyptian military relies upon? Will this become a humanitarian crisis, as seen in Iraq, Libya and Syria, or is it simply a national decision as to the country's future system? How would you react if a similar situation appeared in your home country?

Note: This must not become a debate about whose country is the best, about how religion is involved or whose dad can beat up the other kid's dad.

Have fun with it!

Liam
 

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The military has the right to remove a government if:

Their previous allegiance to the former government has been violated, prior to swearing allegiance to the new government

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The current government they swore allegiance changes to something completely different from when they swore allegiance.

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So, they do have the right to do it if either of the two above apply.

Thats all the input I'll put in, as Im not all-too-familiar with the egypt crisis.

PS: It is generally religion's fault...so excluding that from the debate is an insane limitation.

Muslim Brotherhood...

Ok...'nuff said.
 

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The military never has the right. The troops could desert and steal the weapons and then attack.
 

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This is quite tricky as the government in Egypt was democratically elected in what was said to be impartial and transparent elections.
However, once elected, the government began taking undemocratic steps and began consolidating power in the hands of the President. Neither is the constitution particularly democratic, with a strengthening of ties to Sharia law and military power. While it's constitution does provide for basic protection for the freedom of movement, privacy and assembly, it also defers to military objection and has removed/greyed the protection of trying civilians in military courts.

With these democratic violations, protests naturally began again. The government essentially lost the consent and confidence of the people. The removal of Morsi, in my opinion, sets a dangerous precedent that could have been mitigated and still might be if the people ratify and legitimize the forced removal of Morsi. ( analogous to French Revolution and forced removal of nobility by the people)

Definitely countries with influence ought to use it to bring about a peaceful settlement in Egypt. Unfortunately, these countries will be playing politics to ensure their interests are protected. While this is perfectly legitimate and unsurprising, countries may find that their interests can be advanced if they play an influential part in bringing about a stable, democratic and peaceful solution.

The country is on the edge of a crisis, but can be pulled back if a party is decisive.
 

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Well I'll give an update on this situation.

Military trials being used to lock up supporters of Morsi (the ousted president) - N.B military and not civilian courts. military courts allow expedition of conviction - fair trials?

4 satellite networks have been banned - hardly freedom of the press (background info: they were covering the Brotherhood demonstrations)

It's hardly a surprise to see these "thugs" as you call them protest when the rule of law has been all but thrown out by this military dictatorship.
 
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