Answered FireShips..I know but bear with me.

[DeletedUser]

Ok..

I have been playing Grep for many moons and something has just been brought up on Skype that kinds shocked me, i'm still in disbelief. I was always under the impression that a harbour had to be 100% cleared of all units to take a city, someone i respect is adamant that Fireships can be bypassed by Hydras and a Cs and that Cs can land and take the city..i thought it would bounce, but this player is adamant the fireships disappear and you take the city..is this true - wiki is ambiguous about it..and in conquest if this is so do the fireships stay and defendd the city?

Like really 5 years here, never used them..are they really even MORE useless than i thought

Plus rep to the first who can clarify

Jamo

 

[DeletedUser40768]

I have heard the same thing from quite a few people. Never built one myself though so not sure. I have never conquered a city where that was a factor either. I believe it, I guess it is because there defense value is zero. So they can't stop the CS in that case then? Idk but that is my guess why.

 

[DeletedUser31385]

I have heard the same thing from quite a few people. Never built one myself though so not sure. I have never conquered a city where that was a factor either. I believe it, I guess it is because there defense value is zero. So they can't stop the CS in that case then? Idk but that is my guess why.

Each fireship can sink a warship.
Please look in answered questions before asking a question:

https://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?34225-Clarify-the-purpose-value-of-fire-ships&highlight=fireship

 

[DeletedUser40768]

Yeah it says it will sink an attacking ship and destroy itself (ingame description). CS has 0 attack value so is it an attacking ship? Probably not. Kind of like the same way transports are sent in an attack but aren't attacking ships. So I guess that is why a fire ship doesn't kill a CS.

 

[DeletedUser]

Each fireship can sink a warship.
Please look in answered questions before asking a question:

its not quite answered, question was:

Can you LAND a CS if there are FS in the harbour by using hydras as an escort?

 

[DeletedUser40768]

That thread says the FS will not kill a CS. So yeah it could land if there was at least one hydra still left. If not the CS would probably bounce.

Edit: Or maybe no hydras need to stay alive if this is still true

Also Happened to me in a revolt world, I had 475 firseships in defense, CS attack hit, All LS were destroyed but the city fell anyways, so my support became the new owners support, Building fireships is a 100% waste of time.

Actually, I'm not so sure about this. This was in Sigma, a conquest world.

One of my frontline cities was under constant attack, so I sent my FS wall (Yes an FS wall I built for funsies) to it. The attacker (stephon) used a harbor spy from his city on the same island. I only had a small amount of land troops left, but about 300+ FS in the harbor. He cleared out the city with troops on the same island, and sent the CS attack. The CS attack had only 1 Bireme for escort. My FS destroyed that bireme, but the CS was able to land, and had my FS in the harbor protecting it. In the end, I withdrew the FS and used a manti-nuke to destroy the city.

So, the point of this was to say, that the CS can still land if its naval escort is gone, (from the enemy's use of FS) and the city is clear.

 

[DeletedUser]

cheers ...thats something the wiki wants to clarify as if i have been playing 5 years and didn't know it I'm sure other didn't..wonder what happens to the FS and BP then?

 

[DeletedUser40768]

If those post from 3 years ago are still accurate then the FS stay as support for the CS. Which would really make FS even more terrible for a defender. Wiki says on a backsnipe the FS will support the siege so probably no different for a frontsnipe. Or they could just disappear but you would still have the hydras protecting the siege.

Oh wow I was wrong earlier, FS don't kill Hydras according to the wiki. Even better, the FS wouldn't kill anything in that CS attack then.

 

[DeletedUser31385]

If those post from 3 years ago are still accurate then the FS stay as support for the CS. Which would really make FS even more terrible for a defender. Wiki says on a backsnipe the FS will support the siege so probably no different for a frontsnipe. Or they could just disappear but you would still have the hydras protecting the siege.

Oh wow I was wrong earlier, FS don't kill Hydras according to the wiki. Even better, the FS wouldn't kill anything in that CS attack then.

They only kill Biremes and Light Ships. You would need a very small amount of biremes in the harbor to stop the CS. I don't know of anyone that uses them.

 

[DeletedUser35069]

Basically they are useless against cs's they stay and defend the cs after it lands. (although the cs would die before them if the siege was attacked) if you try backsniping with them they just come back and defend the cs.

If you have birs and fireships in your harbour the person attacking only has to figure out how many ls to clear the birs (which die first as fireships are the last form of defence) and then yes they can land a cs through them with a hydra. I wish I'd kept a screen grab of the guy that stacked his city with 1000 birs and 3000 fireships and then baited me about me not sending enough clearance waves when I only needed to clear the 1000 birs then sailed right though with a hydra and cs.

 

[DeletedUser32412]

In the past I have used Fireships to good effect as a counter defense against ppl trying to hunt my LS.

I have been hunting LS only to have it follow me home plenty of times..it is always nice when you are able to dodge and watch him crash into a load of fireships.

Yes a CS can role past with a hydra but if you are active, lets face it your not gonna defend with fireships, that would be dull. Used in the right ways they can become a useful chink in the armor. I love fireships, just not before I have 20 cities because they have their place, a limited one.

 

[DeletedUser35069]

Your probably the first and only person I ever saw use them the right way, kinda sucked hitting them though.

 

[DeletedUser]

Only time I have seen anyone use them to good advantage is when your alliance has major bireme stack in city (40-50 k biremes), and other alliance has 100+ waves of LS incoming. 500 fireships on top of the biremes will soak up all kinds of DBP, and will not die unless all biremes die first.

Other than that, they are of little value. And they are SO SLOW.

 

[DeletedUser32412]

Only time I have seen anyone use them to good advantage is when your alliance has major bireme stack in city (40-50 k biremes), and other alliance has 100+ waves of LS incoming. 500 fireships on top of the biremes will soak up all kinds of DBP, and will not die unless all biremes die first.

Other than that, they are of little value. And they are SO SLOW.

SO basically what your saying is they are only useful for stealing BP from your team mates..nice and selfish like! Really hope you and me can team up one day..NOT!

 

[DeletedUser]

SO basically what your saying is they are only useful for stealing BP from your team mates..nice and selfish like! Really hope you and me can team up one day..NOT!

I was the one with the biremes. An ex-teammate was the one with the fireships-he did it three times. As soon as we realized what was going on, we booted and ate him for lunch.