I'm out.

[DeletedUser]

They asked me to help a friend of theirs. He was quite far away. I was not in their alliance. But I knew some of them, I had offered them help in the past, I had been friendly and although a dear friend of mine (out of their alliance) was attacked by them I chose to stand back while I could have easily killed their CS attack... I even helped them enlist members. I just wanted to stand alone. They needed me to wear their uniform, to be one of them.

So, I went on and sent half my defence to this guy 6 hours away. And he is one of them...

Then they start attacking me. They first present this as a misunderstundanding. "Don't worry" they say "we'll punish this guy that attacked you"

But they all know what they are doing. They have talked about it before. It's all a set up. Pretty smart actually. They know I trust them, they know I will do what they say. And of course I fell for it.

I now know I'm not a rookie.

Revenge? There is no revenge for me. Revenge is for the ones that don't have a life apart from their PC screen and their ego.

Summer is on, I'll go have some dives in beautiful Greece, the real one, not the interface.

So, yeah... no hard feelings. While I'm gonna be sunbathing and enjoying the Greek sea and beaches these guys will have their eyes set on the 20 cities they have to attack, their next "victim" on the map and so on so forth. They will "kick him in the balls" and "lough about it", "crap in your city" as someone said in his PM to me...

Well they may crap in my city as much as they want cause I got so sick I had to delete my account... lol.

I think I need some vacation from the game...

Ok, it has been a wonderful month of gaming, there were many good moments while being here, so I would like to say goodbye and thank some guys that were there to chat and share info on the game.

These are:

Billy, my dear friend from Athens (the real place). he would come once in a while to chat with me on skype. Nice guy. Funny, friendly. We might meet in the future to have some chilled frappe under the sun ;-)

Cheha, my Armenian friend who was the realest person on Phi.

W.Queen, another real player. Didn't have much time to meet her, but I was impressed with that lass!

Sappho, who was a sweetheart. Made me have a look and learn more about Sweedish literature.

Percy, who met the dark side of me, but was patient enough to stand me and become really friendly.

The few small alliances that pacted with my one-man alliance (Odyssey) and believed in me. Some of the Guys that I remember there were the Silent Assasin and Bannac.

There are some I forget, they will have to excuse me but there are more important things I need to think of right now

See you around guys... I'll be coming back most propably in September. Have a nice summer!

 

[DeletedUser]

That sounds like some mean people, But that is pretty clever I will have to remember that one.

 

[DeletedUser]

Rather clever. This is a war game what do you expect? It is unfortunate for you but alas you will become stronger and learn from your mistakes.

 

[slobo.c]

Sorry men.....

 

[DeletedUser]

Although it was not that nice what they done, i dont feel all that sorry for you, after all ro: its a war game and these things happen.

All i can say is lucky you got rimmed at this stage didnt get into the real politics of the game were the real nasty stuff happends.

As for the cheap shot about you enjoying the sun in greece while we are all in front of our screens well all i can say is iv made some the best of friends online and some even got invited to my wedding. so while your baking in the sun increasing your chances of skin cancer ill be online having fun with my buds

 

[DeletedUser]

...increasing you chances of eye cancer and lumbago.

Real politics? Lol

Ok, whatever...

 

[DeletedUser]

actual am less likely to get eye cancer than you to get skin cancer. yip maybe ill need glasses sooner than you but i can live with that.

End of the day you got rimmed and now your telling everyone that you have better things to do than stare at a silly game, sounds like the runners up speech to me. Overall am sorry you lost your city honstly i am i hate players leaving it makes it less fun for everyone around you.

Please Just be a bit more respectful for the people that really do enjoy playing the game regardless of how long they play the game for.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes, if would definitely be more exciting if people respawned and struck around for revenge more often. It seems that many people quit if they don't do as well as they liked and simply wait to start in the next world. I had two guys on my island who quit before things even got exciting. The first guy had attacked a smaller player on my island who asked me for help. We coordinated a few attacks against the guy, but it seemed that he had quit already after losing his attacking force in his attack. The other guy on my island put up a fight and rebuilt a defensive army to match my offensive one. I made sure not to attack him too often - I just saw a good opportunity for some easy battle points. However, after around ten attacks in total, he quit despite having a nice city with 2000 points. I messaged him, telling I was happy to leave him alone, but he never logged in again. Imagine what a nice rivalry we could have had if this guy kept at it. He gained some battle points as well, and I was getting a bit nervous about him taking revenge long-term once he got a few more cities.

Then again, we have to face that in the end we all know that browser games like these are a waste of time. And the reason we keep at it is often the existing commitment or promise that lies in what we have accomplished or hope soon to do. Therefore, if you're disappointed or don't see any interest accomplishments in the near future, the game will quickly lose its appeal. Therefore, often people will quit, and Ar1stos is certainly right that he can spend him time much better, even if the way he says it comes off sounding a bit bitter.

Ar1stos, I'm sorry to hear what has overcome you. It's certainly a bit embarrassing for the perpetrators. I'm actually surprised that you don't call them out here on the forums. While a certain level of distrust is healthy in a game such as this, to have to take risks at some people if you ever want to work with others (and cooperation is what makes this game worthwhile). I wouldn't really qualify their lies as war tactics, so there isn't really any shame in falling for it. It does say a bit about the maturity level on the servers, but fortunately stuff like this doesn't seem to happen too often.

 

[DeletedUser]

Then again, we have to face that in the end we all know that browser games like these are a waste of time. And the reason we keep at it is often the existing commitment or promise that lies in what we have accomplished or hope soon to do. Therefore, if you're disappointed or don't see any interest accomplishments in the near future, the game will quickly lose its appeal. Therefore, often people will quit, and Ar1stos is certainly right that he can spend him time much better, even if the way he says it comes off sounding a bit bitter.

Actually i wouldnt say its a waste of time. i have met so many intreasting people and lernt a lot different things about other caultures as well as taking part in some outstanding debates in the forums so yeah its all good . But i agree with everything else you said two many people treat this game like sim city instead of getting to know the people you are playing with. On my island i sent amessage to everyone on it and only got one reply whats that all about.

 

[DeletedUser]

As I said in my first post, it has been a wonderful month of gaming and I met quite some interesting people and had fun with. I do feel respect for everybody playing the game, after all as I've said before and will repeat... it is a great game, no matter what the users may do with it. And I played it, too. I will play again for sure. No problem in coming back in Phi either.

And although I felt bitter indeed (hey, what they did to me was the definition of backstabbing), I'm also happy for all the time I spent cause i had fun. And I learned things... things like "don't trust people that easy..."

I just want some other kind of fun right now.

The alliances name? I don't think they are worth mentioning. That is my only revenge to them

And I don't think that anybody disagrees that there are more important things in life than grepolis. Whoever has loved and played that game for as much as I did, knows that well, too.

 

[DeletedUser]

You forgot the part of where you tried to be successful as a one man alliance by just befriending people and gaining their trust... A one man alliance one way or another is always going to fall eventually... And you left out the part about you not even putting up a fight and just clicking restart
Before any of the attacks even got there. Just be happy you got tricked into losing your city this early in the game and not when things really start to get interesting... And I want everyone to know that I am the one who tricked him by gaining his trust and then abusing it. But if he really wanted people to trust him and trust them in return he should have joined an alliance as that is what alliances are for... It sucks what we did but maybe you have learned a lesson and will just join a solid alliance and play with the as you tried to do with having a one man alliance... I am not sorry for my actions my alliance, the people who I trust and work with, gained a nice 10k city from my trickery... So the morale of the story is don't trust people who are not in your alliance!

 

[DeletedUser]

I restarted (and then deleted the account, which I've mentioned) just cause I didn't have much hope with what you did and was sick of you. You in particular. I also hoped that you get no BP from it, that 10k city and me spending weeks to build it was all the time I could offer you.

In fact that 10k city was yours (yours in particular Garrison) more than it is now. When you said, send help, I did without giving it a second thought, even if that guy was at the edge of the world (I should have imagined it actually, that was quite stupid of me, but hell I never said I'm a genious like you guys). Now lets see if your new neighbor will be as generous.

I didn't need to "put up a fight" in a set up with the ones that were supposed to be my friends. The ones I helped more than once in the past... I didn't need to win a battle against you.

What's wrong with gaining other people's trust? As long as you honor it (and I did, in practice) then it means you have morals and you can be trusted.

As for the one-man alliances that are not supposed to be trusted.... Well that suits you aint it?

Just admit it. There was a 10k city next to you, your greedy friends wanted it and you were too much of a chicken to disagree with them. The fact I was not in your alliance provided the best excuse for you. Simple as that.

You also forgot to mention we were together in Shroom, thus we had been in the same alliance before. That is were we met actually. That is were you presented to be friendly.

Now lets see who is gonna trust you in the future... "Angel".

Or should I call you "Judas with wings"?
And... yes, never trust people that are not in your alliance. They might... send some help for you...


Also don't trust people who do not live in the same country, are not the same race as you, do not speak the same language as you... generally trust nobody but your own self. It's a wonderful way to live, not to mention play a game...

As for the "war game"... the game is what you make of it. You can colonise, you can pact, you can defend, you can trust or mistrust any player... you can do a gazzilion things with it. That is the reason it is a nice game.

 

[DeletedUser]

Lol. Bitter much. Yes you can play the game however you want, but there are particular way in which you are most likely to be successful. ro: You tried something different. It obviously didn't work out for you. Maybe next time you will learn from your mistakes. And as for being in an alliance together in the past. That was the past. People change alliances and therefore change enemies. You chose to start you own one man alliance. I chose to join the most powerful alliance in the ocean. That makes us no longer allies. And you don't grow by colonizing and defending. Especially if you are trying to be self sufficient. When you are by yourself, you will never be able to fend off attacks from an entire alliance. Whether you fell for the trickery or not that city was still going to fall to the hands of the Fallen Angels. You sending 50 of your biremes to support a player who needed no support just made it that much easier. And you didn't have to restart, or quit. You still had 2 cities... Anyways, hope you enjoy hanging out in the beaches of Greece, seeing as how you are still here commenting on the matter I take it you haven't been doing to much of that...

 

[DeletedUser]

It depends who you are playing with. If you play with honest people, ones that have integirty then you have lots of chances.

Grow? What is growing for you? Dominating the game by any means? I grew to rank 90 just by colonising. And I'd grow more if it wasn't for you. But I had my moments of fun. Not with you though...

As for my vacation. Don't worry I'm already having it. I didn't say I won't get on the forums to check responses. I just stopped playing which saves me LOTS of time.

Ah, I thought you were smarter than that, lets see what your next excuse is going to be to the simple fact that you are a traitor and from now on you will be treated as such not just by me, but propably your allied friends, too. I think they are smart enough to realise your quality there...

To end this, I'll say that I will continue to play my own style, solo socialising, you go on backstabbing anybody whenever your ineterests demand it. At the moment you are right, your way has proven to be very efficient. You haven't convinced me that this is how the game works, though. This is how it works for you and your sick imagination and choices. Let the rest decide for ourselves what is the best way to play this game...

 

[DeletedUser]

Well i consider Garrison a Decent, Honest Guy and trust him with everything (as his ally).
i also class you as a backstabber and a traitor rather than him, since he is strong and loyal beside his team mates at all times, yet you claim to be loyal to everyone but play them off against each other for personal benefit. therefore i think you will be greatly mistaken when you think garrison will not be trusted since he is a highly respected member of our alliance also, this was not fooling a loyal friend (although you did support me), since you liked to talk a lot, revealing vital info both ways, so i look at it as a neccessary threat and a few nice cities which would be put to better use being a part of our alliance. and i guess the one man alliance didnt work out since ro:

Have a nice holiday

 

[DeletedUser]

Garrison is a trusted and loyal alliance member, he always has our alliance's "six o'clock."

I'm a bit surprised that ar1stos would comment on trust and loyalty; those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

The one-person alliance concept as practiced merely appears to be self-serving and provides the user the ability to masquerade as an ally without the necessity of having to cooperate with goals beyond one's own asperations; further, it allows the user to peddle information for one's own benefit

The simple fact of the matter remains that, in this case, information was traded for protection (and help) so that ar1stos could turtle and follow his own plan regardless of anyone else's long-term strategy.

Yes, ar1stos did lend assistance; however that was mitigated by the appearance that he was playing in the middle of multiple alliances in some sort of self-promoting confederated system. In the end, it didn't work because ultimately there was no trust

Ar1stos clearly demonstrates his lack of discretion in this thread by outing several of his friends, giving critical information about their locations and thus, their local time zones. Who knows what else he gave away in the game. That is the critical threat that I considered and that is the critical threat we removed, not just for our alliance but for others.

 

[DeletedUser]

"...you play them off for personal benefit"

"...you liked to talk a lot, revealing vital info both ways"

Could you please state/prove when and how I did I do all these things? What vital info did I reveal? I was talking with many people apart from ones in your alliance but I don't remember revealing vital info cause I didn't have any. What vital info, enlighten us please...

The only vital info I have revealed is an espionage report on these forums of a guy that tried to spy me first. But this was personal.

I was talking to others cause that is my way of having fun. I guess you prohibit fun in your alliance. Thank God I didn't join.

Well after the traitor, here comes the sycophant. I guess you guys are all made from the same material...

 

[DeletedUser]

Wow Dauid! I guess these are the Real politics of the game lol...

I guess you could find a thousand reasons to make me look bad. That is what lawyers do when trying to defend their client. Make the victim look as bad, maybe even worse than the culprit... ;-)


Whatever you say guys backstabbing is what you did and I proved it. Now you prove what you say or just keep talking fancy...

 

[DeletedUser]

Guys, I think the point Ar1stos is trying to make in regards to trusting garrison thac is that for you to abuse someone's trust in this way without any remorse or proper justification, you will likely either be:

1) Immature or childish, not able to consider what effect your actions might have on others or take responsibility for your own actions

2) Have mild psychopathic or anti-social traits

Either of would mean that alliance-mates should think twice when dealing with the person. While the situation might seem secure right now, it could easily change one this person changes priority or is affected by something in a situation.

Now, this might have been misrepresented in the thread, and it might be that Garrison was actually able to properly justify doing what he did, but what Ar1stos is saying does not seem to be without good reason. These things happen, but you have to think twice about the character of someone if they are able to do something like this. I realize that this is a "war game" and his actions can merely be put off as "role-playing", but you have to look at them in the context of the social interaction that makes up the game.

 

[DeletedUser]

Wow this is getting way too deep and complicated.
It was in the best interest of our alliance to take his cities, so that is what happened.
Go cry to someone who cares, we've all been rimmed at some point or another, it's part of the game.