Guide The Guide to Grepolis (Updated)

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!!!!The Big Cobble Guide !!!!

Alright, so Cobble here, doing my last big guide. So, as many might know, I am the original Unit Comparer.., and my name is Cobble. You might know me from my land unit comparison, Hoplite vs. Chariot, or from my naval units, Bireme and Light vs. Trireme. If you don't know me, i like to make guides so that users are smarter in their unit choices, even if it means helping an enemy defeat me..

So below, i will be posting my 3 old guides, and 2 new ones, along with loads of new information and tactics. They will be the last guides i do, unless something spectacular happens.

NOTICE:WHEN READING MY GUIDES YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING. JUST READ THE OVERVIEW AND THE RESULTS OF COMPETITIONS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY I CHOSE WHICH UNITS FOR WHICH PURPOSE, OR WHY THIS UNIT IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER, THEN YOU WOULD READ THROUGH THE MATH OF THE COMPETITION

NOTICE:ALL 2.0 RELATED MATERIAL WILL BE IN BLUE!!!!!!
ANYTHING NOT IN BLUE CAN BE USED FOR BOTH 2.0 AND 1.26!!!!!!!!!

ALSO, FOR EASY BROWSING, CLICK ON DISPLAY MODES IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THIS POST, RIGHT NEXT TO RATINGS, AND CHOSE HYBRID MODE. THEN JUST CLICK ON THE GUIDE YOU WANT TO READ.

So.. without Further ado, in order.. My guides.

Here's the Menu for today
Page 1: Hoplite vs. Chariot
Page 2: Bireme & Light Ship vs. Trireme
Page 3: Manticore vs. Medusa
Page 4: Wall Spying
Page 5: Bireme vs. Fire Ship
Page 6: Overview
Page 7: Troop Numbers & Building Levels
Page 8: Tactics
Page 9: Gods' Spells & Battle Points
Page 10: Academy Research Guide
Page 11: Mythical Units
Page 12: Defensive LS
Page 13: Cobble's Personal Post
Page 14: 2.0 Farming
Page 15: Credits and Thanks

Oh and.. some music to listen to while you are reading
1.=2.=3.=4.=5.



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HOPLITE VS. CHARIOT

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Now the question begs, which is better? The Hoplite or the Chariot? So i did some research and and all results will be in 5 categories: Time, Resources, Defense, Attack, and Speed & Farming

Background: Hoplites and Chariots are both Sharp units with good blunt defense. Hoplites take 1 farm space, when Chariots take 4. In order to compare equally, every test has to involve 4 hoplites since Chariots take up 4 farm spaces.
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First contest: Time ( at Level 16 Barracks)
4 x 0:18:28 Hoplites = 1:13:53
1 x 1:17:07 Chariots = 1:17:07

Hoplites win

Second Contest: Resources
4 x (0 Wood) (75 Stone) (150 Silver) Hoplites = 300 stone and 600 silver
1 x (200 Wood) (440 stone) (320 silver) = 200 wood, 440 stone, and 320 silver

Hoplites win for overall resources needed

Third Contest: Defense
4 x 18b 12s 7d Hoplites = 72b 48s 28d
1 x 76b 16s 56d Chariots = 76b 16s 56d
Which results in the facts of: Chariot have +4B, Hoplites have +32s, and Chariots have +28d

Chariots win in blunt and distance, and Hoplites are best in defending against sharp (between Hops and Chars)

Fourth Contest: Attack
4 x 16s Hoplites= 64s
1 x 56s Chariots= 56s

Hoplites win for sharp attack

Fifth Contest: Farming & Speed
4 x 8 Hoplites = 32 carrying w/ 6 Speed
1 x 64 Chariots = 64 carrying w/ 18 Speed

Chariots carry twice as much at 3 times the speed
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Overall:
Hoplites are faster to Train
Hoplites don't cost any wood, but Chariots save you some silver
Chariots are better to defend against blunt and distance, but Hops will knock out your sharp with their defense. Go for Chariots for defense
Hoplites Have a higher attack
Chariots best Hoplites at farming and movement
Individually, Chariots are better. But Farm space wise, Hoplites are your choice


(F)*Chariots are very good in the fact that they are emergency supply units. You can easily recruit them through a friends favor. In the situation of attack, a friend or alliance member can cast multiple amounts of chariots to help you out. They are quite fast, and good attackers. Speed is everything!*(F)
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Situation

So lets say you have 50 hops, and 40 chariots. Do you attack with the 50 or the 40? You attack with the 40 chariots. Look at it farm space wise, not # wise. 160 (4 x 40) is better than 50 (hops) farm space. You have to realize the farm space, and not the actual #. So to correspond units, 40 chariots FS* is equal to 160 hops. The hops are better for Offense, and chariots for def.

So 40 chariots are better than 50 hops FS. But at equal FS, 160 hops will always be better than 40 chariots (40 x 4 = 160).


*FS= Farm Space

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Biremes and LS vs. Trireme

BIREME & LS VS. TRIREME

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As a sequel to the land unit comparison, here is the sea unit comparison.

And Here come our competitors! On the south side of the stadium, its the Bireme and Light Ship. On the north, the mighty Trireme.

Now the categories today are: Attack, Defense, Speed, Resources, and Time. In order to compare equally with Farm Units, we must have all units equal the same FS. Therefore, the Competitors will be 5 Biremes and 4 Light (80 FS altogether) and 5 Triremes (5 x 16 = 80).

First Competition: Attack
5 x 24 Biremes + 4 x 200 Light = 920 attack
5 x 180 Triremes = 900 attack

Although i don't recommend using Biremes in an attack, B & L win
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Second Competition: Defense
5 x 160 Biremes + 4 x 60 Light = 1040 defense
5 x 250 Triremes = 1250 defense

Triremes win.

1-1
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Third Competition: Speed
Bireme (15) + Light (13) means we go with the Light (slower) = 13
Trireme = 9

Bireme and Light win
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Fourth Competition:Resources
5 Biremes (4000 w, 3500 st, 900 si)+ 4 Light(5200 w, 1200 st, 3200si) = 9200 w, 4700 st, 4100 si
5 Triremes = 10000 w, 6500 st, 4500 si

B & L win again
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Fifth Competition: Time at Level 20 Harbor
5 Biremes (10:14:30) + 4 Light (11:55:08) = 22:09:38
5 Triremes = 14:53:55

Trireme pulls out strong
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Alright, so look at it this way. You can build 5 Biremes and 4 Light Ships in 7 hours more than 5 Triremes with the same amount of FS and less resources. If you send out your Triremes to attack, you have no defense at home. Rather if you send out your 4 Light Ships, you still have 5 biremes at home.
With the 1.14 update, Triremes have lowered their recruitment time, but its going to take more than that to make the Trireme useful

So i see Triremes as good defense units only to be used in escorting Colony ships or that can act as Offensive units in desperate times of need.
But overall, stick with the Biremes and Light Ships, they are more farm space and battle strength efficient

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EARLY-ON GAME STRATEGY

You and your alliance should be farming all of the enemies on any island you reside on. Through teamwork and collaboration, members of the same island will coordinate attacks against enemies. This includes sharing of spy reports, timed attacks, repeated farming, etc. Once you clear out your enemies, they will become extra farms for you, and you will gain a little BP from their hopeless defenses.

Through this, you and your alliance will:
1. Prevent enemies from building troops, thus keeping them from attacking you
2. Your alliance members will have an increased supply of resources, thus making better cities
3. Improve alliance contact and knowledge, thus giving you more unity
4. Gain Battle Points, thus giving you more culture points
5. Give members more battle experience and will make defensive players feel more offensive, thus improving the alliance.


These are the reasons you should start clearing your islands.
NOTE: If you are making an alliance it is a good consideration to invite everyone on your island!


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Manticore vs. Medusa

So, after long consideration, and close examination, I have decided to make a....... MYTHICAL UNIT COMPARISON!!! Sorry, i like Paris. haha.

Since most of the Mythical units are hard to compare because they are soo unique in their stats, Manticore vs. Medusa was the closest i could get. So with out further ado, The Fight

MANTICORE VS. MEDUSA

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Again, the 5 categories will be: Time, Resources, Defense, Attack, and Speed & Farming. 90 Farm units will be used in order to compare equally. 5 Medusa and 2 Manticores

So lets get this fight going.

First contest: Time
2 x 7:59:27 (with Level 10 Barracks)Training Time + 2 x 81 hours [with 5.0 favor product.(405 favor)] Manticore = 15:58:54 + 162 hours = 177:58:54
5 x 5:32:57 (with level 10 Barracks)Training Time + 5 x 42 hours [with 5.0 favor product.(210 favor)] Medusa = 27:44:45 + 210 = 237:44:45

Additional:
1 Manticore = 88:59:27
1 Medusa = 47:32:57.
So individuality doesn't matter, as Farm Space is crucial.

Flat out straight, Manticores win by 59:45:51. Or pretty much.. 2 1/2 days
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Second Contest: Resources
2 x 4400 wood, 3000 rock, 3400 silver Manticore = 8800 wood, 6000 rock, 6800 silver
5 x 1500 wood, 3800 rock, 2200 silver Medusa = 7500 wood, 19000 rock, 11000 silver

Ouch, Manticore wins
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Third Contest: Defense
2 x 170b, 225s, 505d Manticore = 340b, 450s, 1010d
5 x 625b, 435s, 375d Medusa = 3125b, 2175s, 1875d

Medusa wins at Defense, by alot, 2785b, 1725s, 865d more
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Fourth Contest: Attack Sharp
2 x 945 Manticore = 1890
5 x 425 Medusa = 2125

Medusa wins again.. By a stunning 235 in Sharp
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Fifth Contest: Speed & Farming

2 x 360 = 720 carrying w/ 22 speed & ability to fly to islands without ships
5 x 400 = 2000 carrying w/ 6 speed

Further Math.. 6 speed there and 6 speed back = 12 relative Medusa
22 speed there and 22 speed back = 44 relative Manticore
44/12=3.666= 3. This means that you could have your Manticores do 3 farm runs to a farm in the time it takes a Medusa to do one..

Therefore. 720 x 3 = 2160.

Manticores win with Faster Farming (I don't recommend refarming a already farmed farm) (<- Lots of farms in there ;D)
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Overall:
You can produce FS Manticores 2 1/2 days faster than FS Medusas FACT
Manticores cost less, but Medusa save wood
Medusas own Manticores in Defense, suggesting that you get more for your money with Medusa
Medusas also win in attack.
Manticores win at Farming. With the ability to move 3x faster to get more resources. Also, Medusa's require a transport boat in order to move from island to island. Manticore's do not. (they can fly )

This also means that in attacking, Manticores skip naval defenses and go right to land units. Medusa's have to face biremes, and the Transports could sink.

So for movement, Medusa's require 5 Transport boats, which would play in resources and time for the boats, -> 5 Transport Boats = 11:28:05 Training time at level 12 harbor. 2500w, 2500st, 2000si, 35 more population, chance of sinking. This would change the Medusa to 10000w, 21500st, 13500si; TIME unchanged because you can recruit at same time.. This changes medusa speed from 6 to 8. Contest results remain the same. Unless you want me to go all out and include Transports in farm space requirements, thus changing the number of Manticores and Medusa's compared.. but then i would have to revamp the whole guide.


My vote: Stick to Medusa's for attack and defense, although it will take you FOREVER to train them. So the fact that Manticores are more readily trainable is a big part. Your opinions are comments are most welcome


The winner in my book is..........



MEDUSA

But... Another thing to consider is..

Manticore Nukes

Yes of course. Why you should have a manticore nuke!!!!! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay.. (sarcasm)

No really. You should have a manticore nuke! (sarcasm)

No, REALLY! You should have a manticore nuke (yeah, you really should)

Okay so what the heck is a Manticore nuke? Jee I dunno.. A nuke full of Manticores?
Let me draw you a picture: A ton of manticores, all squished up, inside of an atomic bomb.
No, you can't buy these things on Amazon, or google shopping, or ebay, or whatever you shop on.

But let me tell you how to make them, and why they are useful.

Okay so first off.

The Manticore:
4400 Wood
3000 Stone
3400 Silver

*405* Favor
45 Population

945 Sharp
22 Speed
360 Carry

170 Blunt Def.
225 Sharp Def.
505 Range Def.

6:02:03 Build Time with Level 20 Barracks


Okay so why build a Manticore Nuke over a Hoplite nuke?
Well for one...
Manticores don't require transports, can dodge biremes, and just shred the opposing army to pieces. I mean come on, have you seen these guys?

Anyway, lets get some numbers in here..

Manticore:
945 Sharp
45 Population

Hoplites:
16 Sharp
1 Population
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16 Sharp X 45 Population
=
720 Sharp

I'd say the Manticores win by.... ALOT

Second of all:

Hoplites require ships. WHAT! Yeah, I know, i was flabbergasted too!
That includes ship build time, plus the moving speed is slower, and also, You need some protection! (LS)

Anywho., why doesn't everyone just have manticore nukes?

Because they take FOREVER to build.

Literally.... FOREVER..

Did you hear that?

FOREVER.

Okay not that long, but still..

First off, you got to get that favor in..
At 5.0 Favor production per hour.. you got a whopping 81 hours you have to wait just to build 1 manticore.
Then you have to wait another 6 hours to build it!

Thats 87 Hours.. or 1 Manticore every 3 1/2 days.

That's a big price to pay, but it does pay off...
So lets say you have 2500 free farm space (Come on, who doesn't?)

2500 Farm Space/ 45 (Manticore Farm Space) = About 55 Manticores
2500 Farm Space/ 1 (Hoplite Farm Space) = 2500 Hoplites ( I might have to double check this one )

55 Manticores X 945 Sharp = 51975
2500 Hoplites X 16 Sharp = 40000

51975-40000= 11975 more sharp attack.

Oh wait, did I mention that if you wanted to properly calculate with Hoplites, you'd have to add in the transport amount just so you could move all of those hoplites? Also you need some LS to guide it! That puts the Manticore advantage at a whopping:::::: 25000 more sharp!!!!! than your little hoplites..

Those long hours really do pay off! and i'm not just talking about my job, I'm talking about Manticores!

So what should YOU do with your new Manticore Nuke?

1. Completely destroy a CS that has over 1000 Biremes with it, but almost no land troops
2. Annoy the hell out of your enemies.
3. Wreak havoc across Grepolis with flying Manticores!!
4. Build some harpies for no reason
5. Eat a Bagel (no cream cheese, sorry)

Order yours today!







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Wall Spying

WALL SPYING

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Now, i am not quite sure if anyone has ever thought of this, or if someone has already mentioned it.. But i'm going to go after it. The idea is that you can use the wall & battle point total to effectively know how many opponents you've defeated. Now this might seem obvious, but its different that you might think...
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Situation 1: You are attacking someone. (Pretty simple).
Somehow this unworthy opponent has enough time to gather support and your attack "Fails". So all you see in the report is your troop losses and ???. Now I take it you'd be a little upset that you don't know how many troops you defeated.

Here's how you find out.
Step 1: Go to your wall.
Step 2: Record everything you've defeated as an attacker. Jot this down somewhere. Be sure to include exact amounts of each unit
Step 3: Send your attack and hope for the best
Step 4: After the attacks (if you get the ???) Go to your wall
Step 5: Again, record the new amount of everything you've defeated as an attacker exactly
Step 6: Subtract Step 2 From Step 5 and you will find how many troops you defeated in the battle.
Step 7: Record the change in Battle Points and see if it matches up with your results from S5-S2.
Step 8: Thank Cobblemix

I found this out from when i had never engaged in any naval battle, at all. So when i attacked the conqueror in the Battle of Maribor, i checked my wall and found that i had defeated 3 Biremes, and 2 Triremes

Now this doesn't tell how many troops are in the city, but it does tell you how many you have defeated.

This is helpful in these cases

If you scout someone directly before an attack, and no attacks or support land in between the spy and your attack, this will help. You will gain the total number of troops from the spy report. Now let's say your attack "failed". You simply check the "Wall Difference" and Voila.. you know how many troops you defeated. To check the number of troops your opponent has left, simply subtract the "Wall Difference" From the Spy Report.. and Presto, yet again you win.

Let me know if this helps, or if i am just repeating this wonderful idea.

Thank you, and I hope you have a wonderful day.

Yours Truly,
Cobble

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Bireme vs. Fire Ship

BIREME VS. FIRESHIP

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So once again, the Competitions. The goals here are to see which unit is better to use.. The Bireme, or the Fire Ship? So i did some research and and all results will be in 5 categories: Time, Resources, Defense, Attack, and Speed & Farming

Pretty Simple, yet complex.

Farm Space: 1 Bireme = 8 FS
Farm Space: 1 Fire Ship = 8 FS
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Alright, so First off

1st: Attack
1 Bireme = 24 attack
1 Fire Ship = You can't attack with Fire Ships

This is a pointless competition, but it has to follow format.. soo...

Biremes win
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2nd: Time
At Level 20 Harbor..

Bireme = 2:02:54
Fire Ship = 0:49:39

Essential, you can build 3 Fire in the time it takes to build 1 Bireme

Fire wins
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3rd: Resources

Bireme = 800w, 700 st, 180 si
Fire Ship = 500 w, 750 st, 150 si

Fire ships save you wood and silver, and only cost 50 st more

I'm giving it to the Fireships
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4th: Speed
Very Important, supporting

Biremes = 15 Speed
Fire Ships = 5 Speed

Biremes are 3 times as fast as Fire Ships, and therefore, can support quicker

Biremes win
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5th: Defense

Bireme = 160 Defense
Fire Ship = 1 Defense

Now it might seem that Biremes win, but here is the turn.

The 200 LS Test, The 100 LS Test, and the 50 LS Test.

First off, the 200 LS
100 Biremes = Losses: 100 Biremes, 67 LS
100 Fire Ships = Losses: 100 Fire Ships, 100 LS

2nd: 100 LS
100 Biremes = Losses: 100 Biremes, 77 LS
100 Fire Ships = Losses: 100 Fire Ships, 100 LS

3rd: 50 LS
100 Biremes = Losses: 57 Biremes, 50 LS ---Remains:43 Biremes
100 Fire Ships = Losses: 50 Fire Ships, 50 LS ---Remains: 50 Fire Ships

Now, it appears that The Fire Ship Wins!! It defeats more LS, with less losses.

4th: Special 5 LS
5 Biremes = Losses: 5 Biremes, 4 LS
5 Fire Ships = Losses: 5 Fire Ships, 5 LS

Now it is for sure, that the Fire Ships proves to be a better defender, easily represented.
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Overall:

Fire Ship wins in Production time, Resources, and Defense
Biremes are Faster

Biremes provide fast support, Fire Ships provide stronger, slower support.

Research: Each Requires 8 Research Points.

Note on Fire Ships:THESE DO NOT KILL TRANSPORTS, HYDRAS, OR COLONY SHIPS. They fight last, and so they are useless to defend sieges because the Colony Ship defends before them.

Users' Comments

GDogg-Another reason why fire ships are useless - they only defend against war ships. If a city had 1000 fire ships in the harbour and you send in a colony ship with some transports, the fire ships will just let them sail straight in. the fire ships will then remain in the harbour for the duration of the seige and actually protect the forces that are in your city conquering it.

Trelane-But the absolute best defense is..............being online lol. Those who play this game 24/7 have a huge advantage because they can see the attack coming and either mass defense or dodge. So check into the game regularly.

You can mass hundreds of biremes in the harbor of a colonization attempt or in response to an incoming attack (so you should have lots of biremes). Stacked biremes are the single most effective naval defense (but you need to be online to do it - so partly your strategy depends on how close you are to strong opponents). Offensively, The only way to bust this up is lightship nukes. By nuke I mean 100+ lightships with the 10% boost from Zeus.

Also with massive offense you can crush 50 biremes. Just check the simulator on what 125 lightships can do to 50 biremes. For those building two cities each with 50 biremes/50 lightships, consider having at least one city that has the high strength lightship nuke.

Also - when you attack with massive force you loose less ships and it takes you less time to get the nuke back up to full strength.

Need a place to hide your offense? - have a massive naval defense town.

Small players need to build navy and worry about raids? - coordinate with your neighbors and hide your ships in the massive defense location.

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Willcx-

Now to answer the Bireme Question:
Yes, you also need biremes. They are useful to protect your CS during Conquests. Also useful to shield your towns, but don't count too much on them.

Build say 30 in each town if you like. But also build naval towns that will supply your towns with bireme defence and also more LightShips!

This way if an enemy attack comes, you can pool all your biremes into the attacked city.



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Unit Overview

OVERVIEW:

Sharp Land Unit Comparison

Hoplites are the better, if you have to decide between Chariots and Hops, but Chariots are Great Emergency units, as you can use Divine Favor.

Naval Combinations Comparison

Trireme turns out to be almost pointless, better tactics used with Bireme & Light Ship, and you get more for your FS

Sharp Mythical Unit Comparison

Medusa is the best all around unit, Defense & Attack, and is the superior mythical unit

Naval Defense

Stick with Biremes, faster, better, and can defeat colony ships and transports. Fire ships, however cannot. Stay with Biremes, although a little bit of Fire Ships doesn't hurt

Mythical Units

Spoiler

OVERALL
2.0 Version in Blue

Green-I encourage the building of this unit
Yellow
Orange
Red-I discourage the building of this unit

Minotaur: generally in the middle; reasonable defense and offense. One of “the Gods Hoplites” I might call them. Not the cheapest or most expensive. If you had to choose one unit, these would be near the top of my list on making a army out of only these units. Minotaurs should probably be used mostly in situations when you want to build a unit that can do a reasonable attack or defense. If you build any significant number of Minotaurs, you should build about 20 archers for every Minotaur and you will have a very (I mean, VERY) balanced defense. Building these archers will mean a large disbalance in resources, so you will want to be able to get rid of stone on something else easily (ie, you happen to have farming villages on your island which will take stone and give you wood or silver). Minotaur will never be a really efficient attack unit, because they require transports, so they could be killed in the harbor, but, more importantly, Horsemen have a better attack per population statistic

Manticore: Heavily offensive. Conveniently a flying unit, and so does not require ships. Reasonably expensive, but not the highest. Not bad on favor cost per population. This unit you might be able to build a true army of, but it would, of course, take a while to accumulate the necessary favor of. When building these units, you should probably consider the advantage that, except for Medusa, these are the most efficient Sharp attacking units. So if you have a large number of Manticores in your city, it should be in your offensive land city, or in a special divine unit city that you might build :S. And remember, if you are being attacked in your city with the Manticores, unless you are sure of winning, get your Manticores out of there, they have a terrible defensive stat. MAnticores are a unit I encourage you to build, overall

Cyclops: Even when you have to build or send in support of archers to account for the Cyclops weakness in sharp, and even when you have to build fast transports to make it, it is not a terrible unit. Personally, I would not build it simply because it has better stats then some units in both attack and defense, but it does not have great stats, even though alone it is okay, but when accounting for extra archers, transports to carry them, LS to escort them, etc, the abilities of Cyclops seem to decrease. But if you happen to worship Poseidon and you happen to have a surplus of sharp defense and are lacking on ranged defense, and most of your nuke power is in ranged (ie, slingers) already (to maintain the idea of a pure nuke), then Cyclops should be a good unit to build

Medusa: Awesome Attack and defense stats, but it becomes limited because it needs transports to carry it, and therefore can be sunk in the harbor, it needs the most favor per population and the most resources (insane there :S), it is much harder to build. But if you happen to see in your barracks that you can build a medusa, then you should take the chance, unless you know that you will need the favor for other things or have other plans for it. The medusa will always be (probably) the most efficient unit per farm space (in attack/defense) in grepolis, probably only beat in certain fields by more specialized units (ie, only beat in one field, ranged defense, by Cyclops)

Harpy: Arguably the best farming unit in Grepolis, but not a great defensive unit. It’s defense stat is worse then any other unit in grepolis, because no other unit in grepolis is so weak against any one area of attack. Harpy has a reasonable attack stat, which makes it all the better for farming, it can clear people and then take a good number of resources. If you chose to build 3 horses for every one harpy you built, then you would have a more balanced defense (153:73:73), without falling back really far in any one area. And building horses with harpies would allow you to preserve the offensive focus of a city. So I suggest that if you feel like building harpies, either (a) build them with 3 horses per harpy, or build them with 3 swords per harpy. So it is no disaster to build harpies, just remember to build them in mostly offensive cities, to take advantage of the offensive stat, and to balance out the failure of the ranged defense, be it through support or building units in the city

Centaur: Very mediocre in all fields except a couple. The only two fields that I would say that centaur did very well in were in Loot and favor, it is not a great build because it’ attack stat is covered much, much better by the slinger, and because Pegasus is also an Athena unit, centaur just gets dwarfed by it in defense, centaur can be built, but I would consider it better to use your Athena favor more on things like wisdom, Heroic Power, and Pegasus

Pegasus: Not terribly expensive, which is always a plus, and it is the Uber defensive unit of grepolis . Grepolis already favors the defensive for many reasons, which makes the Pegasus all the more powerful. When you build Pegasi, you might want to consider building a unit which can balance out its lesser abilities in sharp and distance defense. And remember, because many people have quite a few horses, which are blunt attack, this makes Pegasus even better. You should probably build a few archers with your pegasi to help a bit in the balancing out of the defensive stats, although you could probably get away without archers for compensation, because Pegasus’ defensive stats are already better then many unit’s stats :Smirk:

Hydra: Great in it’s battle stats, but it’s failing is in that it can not get it’s necessary resources collected as easily as the regular ships. If you are ever building either a mixed naval, offensive naval, or mixed in general cities, then whenever you happen to have the resources to build a Hydra, do it, it will rarely hurt you. But you should remember, Hydras are SLOW! They will make good C-Ship escorts because a C-Ship is slower then them, but with a Hydra you can never get your attacks or support anywhere as quickly, unless you are also using regular transports

Erinyes:The Erinyes has a good build time, but average favor collection time, it is less expensive then the average mythical unit, but just like the time, it is nothing spectacular. Defense isn’t as bad as something like the Harpy, but still not great; it has a good attack stat, almost as efficient as slingers (22 attack/pop). Not a great speed, and still limited by transport speed. It’s loot values are on the low end, not great to farm with. All in all, the Erinyes is just average. It is beaten in attack by slingers (which are cheaper), it is limited by transports, it can’t really farm well, I wouldn’t really suggest building this

Cerberus: Great build + favor productions time (lowest build time), better than average resource requirements, great defense (a bit skewed towards distance defense, but still pretty good), the Cerberus has a terrible attack value. And its speed/loot are terrible for farming, but at least putting it in even regular transports will speed it up. Overall, a great defensive unit, it is basically a swordsman with ~x2 the blunt, x1.2 the sharp and x1.75 the distance defense. Not as well rounded as Medusa or Pegasus, but still the definite leader in distance defense. I would suggest putting Hades in defensive land cities if you are going to be building mythical units

All in all, My favorite units are

Pegasus: Arguably the best defensive unit in Grepolis, quickest support possible by any unit, it is not terribly expensive either

Manticore: Unlike Medusa, this unit is not terribly expensive, and it has a good offensive stat in an area not covered well by regular units (hoplites and chariots are not that offense-focused), it can fly, which is always a plus, and it is faster then all but Pegasus and Harpy, meaning that it can surprise people in attack much more easily

Done by JKP3nt

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Troop Numbers

IDEAL TROOP NUMBERS

(D)Perfect Defense(D)
600 Amount Of Swords
200 amount of Archers
500 Amount of Hoplites
90 B/10 F Amount of Biremes/Fire Ships
2100/3000 Total Farm Space Used
900/3000 Unused (or 3520 if you have thermal Baths & Plow)
1420/3520 unused

-6:2:5 Ratio of Swords, Archers, Hoplites
186 blunt, 158 sharp, 239 ranged, 583 total, 44.8 per FS
Vs pure nukes of each type(FS) kills 10.39 Slings, 10.15 Horse, 9.88 Hops.
All around much closer to as-even-as possible. Balances out with militia. Still ever so slightly skewed towards most popular attack units but no major weakness.


-You need both Biremes & Fire Ships because Biremes can stop Transports & Colony ships(Fire ships CANNOT), and Fire are the better against Light Ships.

Thanks Aurave


Level 25 Wall + Tower = 141.9% + 10% Fighting/Defending Boost. A must have.

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(SW)Perfect Nuke(SW)
200 Amount of Slings
300 Amount of Horses (FS 900)
10 Amount of Catapults (FS 150)
80 Amount of LS(FS 800)
63 Required amount of Transports(FS 441)
2491/3000 Total Farm Space Used
509/3000 unused
or 1029/3520 w/ Thermal & Plow

Also

200 Slinger
200 Hoplite
150-200 Horsemen

150 Light ships

For information on Pure Nukes, check out This Guide



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(R)Ideal Polis(R)
All of the Ideal Building levels

25 Lvl Senate
40 Lvl Farm(pop)
20-30 Lvl Barracks(SW)
20-25 Lvl Temple(F)
30 Lvl Warehouse(R)
35-40 Lvl Timber/Stone/Silver(W)(R)(I)
30 Lvl Academy(Res)
20 Lvl Harbor(SH)
15-25 Lvl City Wall(D)
10 Lvl Cave(I)
10 Lvl Market(P)
Theater/Baths/Library/Lighthouse
Tower/Statue/Oracle/Merchant

Now this varies with your choice of Cities: Naval or Land, Offensive or Defensive
Suggestions and Ideas are most Welcome. Never get Merchant Shop, and Lighthouse is only good for Pure Naval Cities

SIMPLIFIED VERSION
1.Defense Land =
550 sword
550 archer
550 hop
10 Biremes
1 CS
|OR|
500 chariots
77 transports

2.Offense Land
500 horse
Enough Tranports
10 LS
|OR|
1800 slingers
Enough transports
10 LS

3.Defense Navy
450 archers [this is for raiding the farming towns in the center of the island]
100 archers (I know it should say 550 archers, but this works better)
5 transports
200+ Biremes
CS

4.Offense Navy
450 archers [this is for raiding the farming towns in the center of the island]
180+ LS

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Defensive Spells
So now I will compare which is the better..

Desire, or Zeus's Rage & Sea Storm

First off..
Desire-140 Hera Favor. Attacking Troops fight 10% weaker.
Zeus's Rage-300 Zeus Favor. Destroys 10-30% of Attacking Land Troops
Sea Storm-280 Poseidon Favor. Destroys 10-30% of Attacking Sea Troops

Examples:
100 LS vs. 100 Biremes.
100 Horses vs. 100 Chariots

First off.
The Sea Comparison
Control: 100 LS vs. 100 Biremes = 23 LS remaining, 0 Biremes
With Desire: 100 LS vs. 100 Biremes = 13 LS remaining, 0 Biremes
With Sea Storm at 10% Damage: 90 LS vs. 100 Biremes = 12 LS remaining, 0 Biremes
With Sea Storm at 30% Damage: 70 LS vs. 100 Biremes = 0 LS remaining, 15 Biremes

The Land Comparison
Control: 100 Horses vs. 100 Chariots = 0 Horses remaining, 32 Chariots
With Desire: 100 Horses vs. 100 Chariots = 0 Horses remaining, 40 Chariots
With Zeus's Rage at 10%: 90 Horses vs. 100 Chariots = 0 Remaining, 60 Chariots
With Zeus's Rage at 30%: 70 Horses vs. 100 Chariots = 0 Horses Remaining, 44 Chariots

So! If you have an incoming Naval Attack, You should cast Sea Storm. Sea Storm at 10% leaves one less LS alive than Desire does. And you may be thinking that that is not substantial, but that is Sea Storm's lowest possible outcome. Its highest possible outcome is with 30% and in that case, the defender WINS. Therefore, it is more logical to use Sea Storm than to use Desire on incoming Naval attacks.

And for the Land Comparison, if you have an incoming land attack, You should cast Zeus's Rage. Zeus's Rage at its lowest outcome leaves you with 44 Chariots instead of Desire's 40. At Zeus's Rage highest outcome, you are left with 60 chariots. Either way, whether or not this makes any difference, you should cast Zeus's Rage.

Overall, Desire is not the spell to be cast on incoming attacks. Instead, you should cast Zeus's Rage or Sea Storm because with either and any outcome of the spells, both defeat Desire even at their lowest setting. Therefore, Even though Desire is "cheaper", Sea Storm and Zeus's Rage get the job done alot better than Desire does.

Zeus's Rage & Sea Storm

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Tactics

TACTICS
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(F)Hera Mass Production(F). By Yondo

So, props to Sandman10372 for this idea - he developed it, and then helped me to try it out too, so if you find it helpful, send him a thanks!

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Objective: To create lots of units, quickly (in this case, I used horsemen)

Spells Used: Happiness (Resource Buildings create resources 50% faster for 12 hours - 120 favor) , Population Growth (Barracks units create 100% faster for 12 hours - 80 favor)

How to Do It: First, cast your Happiness. Make sure you have enough favor so that in 12 hours, you'll be able to cast it and Population Growth again (or get a buddy to cast one on you, like I did). For 12 hours, you're working as usual, but producing 50% more resources. Then, as Happiness nears its end, cast Pop Growth. IMPORTANT NOTE - Barracks units queued up only are reduced if they are queued while population growth is cast. It doesn't affect already queued units. Then use your Happiness one last time, so to keep your warehouses full.

It's critical that during your Population Growth time you pump in as many resources as you can - when Population Growth ends, you'll want you put as many horsemen in queue as possible to take advantage of Population Growth's benefits.

By doing this, I wound up making one horse every 26 minutes - which comes out to a little more than 24 horses in that time, or more if I get a huge warehouse at the end of it. And all in a short amount of time.

How This is Useful: This Combo is handy if you need to replenish losses quickly defensive, or if you need to prepare a quick assault against a fortified or recently battered city. Or you can think of something, I'm sure.

Questions, comments, idea below, please!

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This is an example of a Combo, and a good one. If you can think of others, using different Gods if you need to, try 'em out and post them!
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Spying Tactics By Yondo

Spying isn't really a waste of money, if performed right.

What I generally do is send 1050 silver out - 50 more than the minimum, in case the opponent has a lvl 1 cave and just has a full stash of silver.

Then, when he hits, I get a report. Or, I don't - but if I don't get a report, the opponent learns about my espionage attempt, but he also loses 1050 silver from his cave.

Therefore, unless he keeps adding silver, he'll eventually run out. A level 5 cave only holds 5000 silver, after all.

So, I send another spy, this time paying 1050. Why not send more? Because if I send a spy out paying him 4000 silver, and the enemy only had 1 silver in his cave, I'll have wasted a lot of money. So I keep sending spies at 1050 a time, draining his cave until finally one breaks through.

Sure, the enemy might get 4 reports saying you spied on him, but if he got one, why not give him 4 reports? Doesn't change anything. If he knew you tried, you might as well succeed.


But there you go! How to spy.

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Some more questions, I'll answer:

1) As I understand it once a spy is sent on a mission whether or not he suceeds at his mission hes gone and never returns? Is this accurate understanding?

Yes, he can only be used once, regardless of success or failure.

2) If the spy failed at his mission does this means that NONE of the silver coins hidden in the victim's cave has been DRAINED? I know I've read in the guide if the receiving polis has more silver stored in your cave than what you pay your spy the mission fails? Question is does the mission fail WIHOUT any of the victims silver coins being depleted?

If the spy fails, the enemy's coin is drained. Read above.

3) Can your spy be tortured and infiltrated so as to disclose the condition of the senders polis (building types, building levels, land troops types and amounts, harbor level and amount of ships)??

No, but if the spy fails, the enemy DOES know that you sent it, but nothing about your city.

4) If a spy mission costs 1000 silver coins but the sender can choose to pay his spy whatever he wants then can you sort of come up with a mininum safe net of silver coins to store in the Cave to make future spy campaigns against your polis fail?

I can't say for sure, but I'd keep at least 1100 silver in your cave, if you can.

5) What is the effect of raising the level of the Cave? Does a higher level cave mean anything at all in defending from spy missions against your polis?

The higher the cave, the more silver you store in it. So, you can pay your spy more for an attack (though I would only send 1050 silver at a time), or you can keep TONS of silver in the cave, so enemies have to pay even more to view your city.
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Yondo

(SH)Ships and Roles(SH)
Biremes: Best at defending against attacks. Best employed to defend sieges.

Light Ships: Best at killing ships. Most effective in quantities greater than 30. Best employed to protect attacking transports and to break sieges.

Fire Ships: Quick to create, useless at offense, and kill attacking ships 1:1. THESE DO NOT KILL TRANSPORTS, HYDRAS, OR COLONY SHIPS. They fight last, and so are useless to defend sieges because the Colony Ship defends before them. Dumb, I know. Best employed to make your city less attractive to attack.

Triremes: Why would you have these? Don't make these unless you've got some genius scheme I don't know about, in which case, I encourage you to share on the forums.

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Spells

SPELLS By Willcx
(F)(F)(F)

I have written this mini guide to answer some common questions regarding spells and their good usage, and also when you can or can't use spells.

GENERAL NOTES:

MAXIMUM FAVOUR IS 500(F)
If you have 2 or more cities worshipping the same god, the max is still 500. All cities contribute so it just fills up faster but its still 500 max.

OFFENSIVE ARMY SPELLS
Offensive army spells can only be used when enemies have sent an attack on one of YOUR cities. These spells are Zeus Rage, Sea Storm, Desire.
If you have different towns worshipping different gods, you can use any spells available to you to use on incoming enemy attacks.
Example 1: If enemy is attacking your Hera town, and you have a Zeus town, you can use Zeus' Rage on him.
Example 2: If enemy is attacking your friend, you cannot use any spells on that enemy attack. Only your friend can.

WHAT HAPPENS IN CONQUEST
If you are in Conquest and are inside the city, you can see what enemy attacks are incoming, (the town doing the conquest will have a timer, clicking on this will bring up a pop-up city screen, click the tab that brings up Forces Movements)

During the time of conquest, you may see enemies sending attacks in. However during the 24 (or 26) hour siege, you cannot cast any spells against those attacks.


GOOD SPELLS TO USE: (Obvious spells with simple usage are omitted)

ZEUS

DIVINE SIGN
EFFECT: sends 1 chariot.
GOOD USAGE:
1) Cast on ally town if they are being attacked.
2) If ally or you are conquesting, (inside the town already), then cast on that town. Your ally or you will get the chariot. And then after the siege when town is theirs, they have a ready supply of good farming troops to use.

ZEUS' RAGE:
EFFECT: destroy 10-30% of the enemy's land units.
GOOD USAGE:
1) these CAN be used on ships attacking you! If the enemy fleet is carrying land forces, it destroys 10-30% of the land forces onboard.

BOLT:
EFFECT: reduces a random building by one level. Special buildings and Agora do not get hit. A city can only be hit ONCE every 4 hours by Bolt. After 4 hours, the city can be Bolted again.
GOOD USAGE: Terror tactics. Hitting enemies in retaliation, or for weakening him.
If several bolters work together, then it is possible to hit a city constantly, 6 bolts a day, every day for a week will anybody off! Especially if it hits his expensive farms - thus reducing his ability to build troops!

ATHENA

PATRONESS
EFFECT: sends 5 random low level troops to any town. (no one has got higher than hoplite from this spell)
GOOD USAGE:
1) cast on allies that are being attacked
2) bolstering up your new towns so you have a defence force, and farming force.

CITY PROTECTION
EFFECT: protects a city from SPELLS ONLY for 12 hours.
GOOD USAGE:
1) Use defensively, if your town is constantly being hit by Earthquake or Bolts
2) use offensively when attacking an Enemy town, this will stop his friends sending him Patroness, and Divine Signs.

HERA

Hera is covered in detail above.
Remember: Population Growth needs to be cast first, and THEN add Troop Builds to the queue.
Wedding: Gives selected city 125 wood, 200 stone, 200 silver. Not a bad spell, only 30 favor

POSEIDON
Again, Call of The Ocean needs to be cast first, and THEN Ship builds added to the queue.

Kingly Gift: Gives the selected city 800 wood. Only 25 Favor

HADES

PLAGUE
EFFECT:Reduces the basic resource production of the selected city by 50% for 6 hours (speed 1).
GOOD USAGE:
1) Perfect for keeping an enemy's troop counts low after you've just cleared them.
2) Good for enemy cities that you don't want to be growing quickly. Ex. a newly conquered city

TREASURES OF THE UNDERWORLD
EFFECT:The selected city receives 500 silver coins.
GOOD USAGE:
1) Combine with Kingly Gift, and all you will need is stone production
2) Perfect for some emergency spying
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Battle & Culture Points By N3mesis


BATTLE POINTS

Battle points are a way to keep track of who is actively engaged in fighting.
You receive 1 point for every citizen used to make the unit you killed. Your opponent receives the same whether attacking or defending.

** Note: You do not receive battle points for killing units that farming villages put up to defend themselves. You only receive battle points from player to player combat.

Q: > How many BP I earn from killing specific unit type?

Here is the BP Table:

Q: > How many BP / CP I need for my next city?

As first we need to explain AGORA Culture overview:

There are four different events that raise the cultural level of a city:
City festival:
> Require Academy level 30 + resources to organize; duration is 24 h
Olympic games:
> Require Academy level 30 + 50 gold (premium) to organize; duration is 5 days!
Victory procession:
> Require Battle Points to organize; duration is 8h!
Theater plays
> Require Academy level 30 + Theater (special building) + resources to organize; duration is 5 days!

As you see above, the fastest way to get CP is by killing the enemy. For a Victory procession 300 enemy units need to be eliminated. Or calculating how many BP you earned by killing enemy from the table described before.

300 killed infantry = 300 (BP) = 1 Culture Point (CP)

Step by step:
For 2nd City - is free and u can get it right after u learn conquering and have Colony Ship.
For 3rd city you need 3 CP
For 4th city you need 9 CP
For 5th city you need 18 CP
For 6th city you need 30 CP
For 7th city you need 45 CP
...etc...

NO ATTACKING = NO BattlePoints = NO CITIES!

GOOD HUNTING!



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Academy Research

ACADEMY RESEARCH By Willcx & Nemesis


In the Academy you can research new things such as technologies or new units for your city. These researches and subsequent discoveries only apply to the city that made them. Everything must be researched individually in every city which means it is very possible to have different research strategies in almost every city you have.

Research points are a form of expendable resources. The more you expand the academy the higher the number of research points you have available. There is an upper limit of 120 per city. However you can receive +12 further research points through the building of the Library on a city. You should spend these wisely as it is impossible to research everything within a single city.

It is possible to undo your research using a culture point, you can find culture points in the culture tab in the Agora!


WILLCX's RESEARCH ADVICE
[With N3mesis opinions]



++ number in () are the research points needed ++

LEVEL 1 - 3:

SLINGERS: excellent offensive (4)

ARCHERS: excellent defensive. (8)

LEVEL 4 - 6:

HOPLITES: essential defensive. (8)
CITY GUARD: useless. [Agree with Willcx - Enemy when kill your militia takes 0 BP and u have instant defence, but this research is capped to level 25 farm - so is not a big deal and worth to upgrade.]

good (3)

LEVEL 7 - 9:
DEMAND TROOPS: not good. [Depends - when u have lack of units after enemy assault or your invasion this comes usefull]

BOOTY: excellent. For 2.0, it gives you 8 Demanding Options instead of only 4. A need to get for 2.0! Very good tech (3)

CERAMICS: excellent (4) [Useful only when u have 1 city and you wanna conquer ASAP and u need res. space]

LEVEL 10 - 12:

HORSEMEN: essential offensive. (8)
TRAINER: useless [Disagree - You always build units and u need them ASAP]

LEVEL 13 - 15:

BIREME: essential defensive. (8)
CRANE: useless. [This is like ceramics - read]

CONSCRIPTION: excellent, save resources(4)

LEVEL 16 - 18:

CHARIOT: not good. [Depends - there is always debate Hoplites vs Chariots. I favor chariots for many aspects.]

LIGHTSHIP: essential offensive. (8)
ARCHITECTURE: very useful, save resources. (6) [You need it only once till u max city buildings. Than you look at it as burden.]
SHIPWRIGHT: useless [Disagree - You always build this unit]

LEVEL 19 - 21:
FIRESHIPS: useless. useless. useless [Agree ]
CATAPULTS: useful to have in 1 city. (8)
CRYPTOGRAPHY: useless.
DEMOCRACY: useless

LEVEL 22 - 24:

COLONY SHIP: depends if this is conquesting town. Generally I have all towns able to conquer eventually. (0) [It costs 0 research points - build it when u can!]

FAST TRANSPORT BOAT: excellent (8)

PLOW: excellent. (4)
METEOROLOGY: useless. [Agree - once you clear island is battle between islands]
BUNK: essential (6)

LEVEL 25 - 26:
TRIREME: poor choice [Discussion needed - I fovor them.. (dissapointed during last battle on attack with them)]

PHALANX: essential (9) [THIS IS MUST IN ALL TOWNS]
BREAKTHROUGH: limited use.

MATHEMATICS: essential, save resources(6)

LEVEL 28 - 30:

BATTERING RAM: essential (10) [THIS IS MUST IN ALL TOWNS]
CARTOGRAPHY: essential (8) [Usefull]

CONQUEST: depends if this is a conquesting town. (0) [It costs 0 research points - Develop it when u can.]


As you can see, the above uses 115 research points. (or 123 including catapult)
A maxed out Academy will only give 120 research points. so in order to have the catapult you will need to lose something. (democracy)

NOTES:
Chariots: I just use spare Zeus favour and usually to kick start a new conquest. (new conquests have zero troops, so always useful to have 10 chariots to use to start farming)

TRAINER and SHIPWRIGHT are useless. Much better to use Hera's Population Boost, and Poseidon's Call of the Ocean. ..and if you have developed this research u have +10% faster build

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Mythical Unit Comparisons

Mythical Unit Comparisons

Here I will be comparing EVERY mythical unit. I will use 360 FS per unit, so 12 Minotaurs; 8 Manticores; 9 Cyclop; 20 Medusa; 30 Centaur; 18 Pegasus; 25 5/7 Harpies; 6 6/11 Erinyes; 12 Cerberi
All values are approximate
Now let us begin:
First Contest: Time & Favor
First I list the actual production time then add to it the time it takes to produce it with a level 25 temple at speed 1, and barracks at level 1.
Minotaur: 27:00:00+485hrs=512hrs(22.3 days)
Manticore: 36:00:00+648hrs=684hrs(28.5 days)
Cyclop: 36:00:00+648hrs=684 hrs(28.5 days)
Medusa: 62:30:00+840hrs=900 hrs(37.5 days)
Centaur: 34:00:00+600hrs=634 hrs(26.4 days)
Pegasus: 36:00:00+648hrs=684hrs(28.5 days)
Harpy: 36:00:00+668hrs=704hrs(29.3 days)
Erinyes: 19:38:00+628hrs=648hrs(27 days)
Cerberus: 14:00:00+552hrs=566hrs(23.6 days)
Cerberus win. Medusa Fail. But remember, win you are making multiple divine units, you can (and sometimes must) start the first of the multiple divine units before you have all of the favor for the next unit. So these times are just to get an idea of which unit takes the longest when only producing a few (or one ).
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Second Contest: Resources (without favor)
Wood (W); Stone (R); Silver (I); total
Minotaur: 16800; 7200; 37200; 61200
Manticore: 35200; 24000; 27200; 86400
Cyclop: 18000; 37800; 30240; 86040
Medusa: 30000; 76000; 44000; 150000
Harpy: 41200; 10300; 35000; 86500
Centaur: 5200; 9000; 21000; 35200
Pegasus: 50400; 6480; 1440; 58320
Erinyes: 14700; 29400; 29400; 73500
Cerberus: 13500; 16200; 32400; 62100
Medusa fail. Centaur wins.
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Third Contest: Defense
Order: Blunt; Sharp; Distance; total
Minotaur: 8100; 3600; 6720; 18420
Manticore: 1360; 1800; 4040; 7200
Cyclop: 8505; 90; 11790; 20385
Medusa: 12500; 8700; 7500; 28700
Harpy: 2700; 1800; 27; 4527
Centaur: 4500; 13500; 1800; 19800
Pegasus: 16200; 4500; 5400; 26100
Erinyes: 4503;4503;10740;19746
Cerberus:9900;3600;18900;32400
Medusa is most balanced, but Cerberus has the highest total and highest in a single area (actually, the Cerberus is a lot like a swordsman ); Harpy and Manticore=FAIL
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Fourth Contest: Attack
Minotaur: 5040 blunt
Harpy: 6840 blunt
Manticore: 7560 Sharp
Medusa: 8500 Sharp
Pegasus: 1800 Sharp
Cyclop: 6804 distance
Centaur: 4680 Distance
Erinyes: 7920 distance
Cerberus: 2520 blunt
Medusa wins, Pegasus FAILS.
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Fifth Contest: Speed and Loot (Farming)
Speed
Here you may assume that any units EXCEPT Manticore, Harpy, and Pegasus (flying units) have a speed of whatever your navy’s speed is because on real attacks or supports of other players, you will generally be going by boat, but I will provide the regular speeds as well
Manticore (flying): 22
Minotaur: 10
Cyclop: 8
Medusa: 6
Harpy (flying): 25
Centaur: 18
Pegasus (flying): 35
Erinyes: 10
Cerberus: 4
Pegasus wins, Cerberus fail

Loot(without Booty)
Minotaur: 5760
Manticore: 2880
Cyclop: 6804
Medusa: 8000
Harpy: ~8742
Centaur: 6000
Pegasus: 2880
Erinyes: 2880
Cerberus: 2880
Harpy wins. Manti/Pegasus/Erinyes/Cerberus fail


NOW FOR THE HYDRAS!

VS.

I will use 400 FS of each side. 8 Hydras vs. 25 biremes and 20 LS.

First Competition: Attack
Okay, first a review of individual units. A hydra has 1000/50, or 20, attack per pop, as does the Light Ship, and Biremes have 24/8, or 3, attack per population. Now this means that LS is still equal to Hydra, but using the numbers of each unit I listed earlier:
Hydra: 8*1000=8000
Regular ships: 24*25 + 20*200 = 600+4000=4600
Hydra wins
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Second Competition: Defense
Individual units:
Hydra: 715/50=14.3 per pop
Bireme: 160/8=20 per pop
LS:200/60=3.33 per pop
Bireme is well ahead individually, but overall:
Hydra:715*8=5720
Regular:160*25 + 60*20= 4000+1200=5200
Hydra still wins
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Third Contest:Speed
Individual:
Hydra:8
Bireme:15
LS:14
Bireme wins with LS very close behind
Overall:
Hydra:8
Regular:14
Regular win this one
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Fourth Contest: Resources ( I will throw in the favor for Hydra)
Individual per pop. Wood; Stone; Silver; Favor
Hydra: 108 ; 56 ; 76 ; 8
Bireme: 100 ; 87.5 ; 22.5 ; 0
Light Ship: 130 ; 30 ; 80 ; 0
In general, I would say bireme is the best :S
Overall (favor times are for a 5.0 favor/hr):
Hydra: 43200 ; 22400 ; 30400 ; 3200 (640 hrs)
Regular: 46000 ; 23500 ; 20500 ; 0
Regular wins in general, especially with favor tipping the balance
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Fifth Contest: Time
Remember, favor production time almost always greatly outweighs regular time.
Overall:
Hydra: 93:19:52 + 640 hrs (F) = 733:19:52
Regular: 2:45:00*25 + 4:00:00*20 = 68:45:00 + 80:00:00 = 148:45:00

Hydra wins on the regular build time, but if you add the favor production it really adds up. And if you had Hydras such that they added up to 360 population (as in the other myth units), then the favor production would take 576 hrs (24 days) which is faster then other myth units.
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SO, Stick to the Biremes and Light Ships, however, if you wish to have some hydras, a 150 LS + 5 Hydras isn't such a bad idea for a naval attack force.

Overview on the Overall Unit Page 6
Done by: JKP3nt


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Defensive LS

DEFENSIVE LS!

"The best defense is a good offense." - Jack Dempsey

"The only real defense is active defense" - Mao Zedong

"It’s important to pre-emptively strike at those who intend to do us harm." - Matthew Levitt

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" - Ronald Regan

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
- Albert Einstein



User: Cobblemix, you must be crazy!!!!!! Light Ships are for Offense, not defense!. You should know that.
Cobble: hahahahahahaha, I am crazy:supermad:!! But this actually might make sense!:heh: Teeheeheeheehee

So now that you've spied on my conversation, I guess I should be explaining myself, even though you're the one who did the spying... hmm... Anyway, I learned this tactic back when I was in the alliance United Aegean Empire (UAE), it wasn't the most reputable alliance, as it was a MRA (Mass-Recruiting-Alliance). However, we had a brilliant leader. His name was Yondo. He taught this tactic before he disappeared. I was not allowed to post it at the time, I think its okay now though. Its a bit choppy, i don't remember it all, so I apologize.

So here it is.

DEFENSIVE LS.

Here's how it works. Let me set the scene..........

*FLASH* You are an user with 5+ cities. You only have offensive cities. (ex. LS cities, and Horse cities). What's this? An incoming attack?

*BOOM* How to survive with only offensive cities a.k.a. Saving money on defensive troops.

If you wish to apply this tactic, hear me out. For all of your naval cities, only build LS. Now lets say you have 5 cities with 200 LS. I know that's alot. So now you have a ton of incomings to your cities. All you have to do, is keep dodging these attacks. What's this? A colony ship? You can't dodge that? hee hee hee, yes you can my friend! Send your 200 LS out of the city and bring it back within perfect timing so you kill the CS with its minimal defenses! plus you have 800 more LS at the ready! Presto! You've broken the siege.

But Cobblemix! What if I want to conquer a city? How can I maintain a siege with only Light Ships? Well, you can't. Get some friends and find an alliance. Provide the alliance with your awesome LS while they support you. Just think of having 10 cities with 200 LS. That's 2000 LS! Just have your gods as Poseidon (For Kingly Gift and Call of the Ocean) and Zeus (Favorable Wind).

What you need to apply this tactic:
-A Grepolis Account
-Some Cities with a Harbor
-Light Ships Researched
-Light Ships
-Eyes... and Hands.. oh and a Brain
-Activity, and Skillful Planning

Within your 5 cities you would have:
200 LS in each city. (Give or take 20: 180-220 LS)

You can also apply this tactic with offensive land troops.
With 5 cities you would have:
1500 Slingers
-OR-
1500 Hoplites
-OR-
500 Horsemen
-AND-
75 Transports
(I don't know the exact numbers that are ideal)
-WITH-
At least 25 LS for escort

Another thing is that you do not generally Neeeeed defensive land troops at all, unless you are going to turtle the game. Def land troops won't fight unless the biremes are destroyed, in which case, your opponent is probably better than you anyways, and biremes can take out unescorted transports.. But if someone sends in a Manticore or Harpy Nuke on your conquering CS while you have no def land troops.. You might be in a LOT of trouble.. But then you find were those troops are and kill the nuke at home with your many off land troop cities


Simple Enough, same thing. You just dodge the attacks, and bring your troops back. Every now then, you might get killed. But hey, this is Grepolis, ro:, and it contains war.. Which reminds me...

WARNING: GREPOLIS CONTAINS WAR.
Don't say I didn't warn you

On a side note: Theoretically, you can have a bunch of cities with 300 LS.. those cities would also have very slow resource production and build times.. but think.. 300 LS! With Captain, Battering Ram, and Favorable Winds. WOOT WOOT. now back to the original guide

Overall:
You can survive with only offensive troops! But that requires activity, planning, and an alliance.

Benefits:
-You'll be a hero in your alliance (If you use your troops)
-You wont be someone dependent on other's offensive troops.
-You'll get way more BP this way.. its been proven
-You won't be considered a Sim City player (an all-defensive player who conquers inactives)
-You can eventually start your own Bireme gardens tee hee hee.. growing Biremes!
-You'll feel like a man with all those 200 LS sitting in your cities. ("whether or not you are *cough* Ac04 *cough*")
-You generally won't be afraid to attack anyone.

Drawbacks:
-You need to be active
-You need to have a stable alliance
-You will be reliant on your alliance members for defensive support during conquests
-Joint attacks on your cities from the enemy will drive you crazy and cause you to go mad :supermad:
-You will go mad, resulting in severe memory loss and violent mood swings
-You'll be vulnerable if you try this tactic too early on.
-You might be disappointed.

NOTICE: ITS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE BIREMES! THEY ARE VERY USEFUL. IF THIS TACTIC APPEALS TO YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE 3 BIREME CITIES FOR EVERY 5 LS CITIES. RECRUIT AT YOUR OWN RISK

 

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This being the 13st post and all.. Makes it..

THE COBBLE POST.

WOULDN'T YOU JUST LUUUUUUUUUUUUV A BREAK FROM ALL THAT BORING GUIDE STUFF?!?!?!?!?!

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YOU WOULD. THIS IS THE PARTY PAGE BABYYYYYYYYY

SO LET'S PARTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Before we start.. some information about your terrible host...:supermad:

Name: Cobble
Favorite Number: 13 (2nd: 4)
Favorite Food: Mango
Favorite Animal: Porcupine (2nd: Elephants)
Favorite Color: Yellow
Favorite Country: France (2nd: USA)
Favorite Movie: Back to the Future
Favorite TV Show: Family Guy (Oh yeah)
Worlds I'm on at the time of this Post: Beta, Pi, Sigma

Uhmm... I like Biking, Reading, Partying, Biking, Reading, Dreaming, Dreaming, Dreaming, Dream.. . . . . . . dr. . . . *Snore*. Huh? Oh yeah..

PARTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

So our musical guests tonight are:
Stereophonics
Five for Fighting
Bon Jovi

Crowded House
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MORE TO COME!

SO LET'S GET THIS PARTY ST........ oh no.. I forgot it was my bedtime.. Goodnight y'all.

 

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2.0 Farming

2.0 FARMING GUIDE

Here it is folks! The newest portion of my guides! 2.0 Farming strategies.

What you'll need to stay ahead in 2.0 worlds:
1. Booty researched
2. Common Sense
3. Activity
4. All 8 farms on your island
5. Access to Cobble's Guides!

So let's start off with some basic requirements.
First off you're going to need a level 7 academy to research booty.


Normal Farming cities give you this option:

But with booty, you get this option:

As you can see, there is a slight error
You get a better deal with 1 even though 2 takes away more of the mood.
With Option 1: You get 1100 resources for a -48 mood reduction.
With Option 2: You get 933 resources for a -72 mood reduction.

As you can see, there are many more options. Now what I suggest for farming, is knowing when you'll be back on again. If you going to be back on again in 4 hours, choose the 4 hours farming choice. Also, never choose a looting option if it puts the farm's mood below 20. This lowers the chance of a revolt.

Right before you go to bed, choose the 8 HOURS OPTION from either:
DEMAND if its Low Mood
or
LOOT if its 100 Mood

Now you may be wondering if it is worth it to raise the farming level of your farms. The simple answer is yes. Once you start out, you should put an effort through to get all of the farms you've conquered so far to level 3. This way you can demand troops, or get a steady flow of resources to further your troop count, which can be used to further your farm expansion. Its a cycle of looting, demanding, and conquering. All benefits to you.

Options you have with farm villages:
1. Demanding
2. Looting
3. Units
4. Expansion
5. Trade

1. Demanding
a. For one this is a great tool if your farming village's mood is below 40. I usually only use the 20 minutes option. Or wait until the mood is higher so I can loot.

2. Looting
a. Way better than demanding. Only use when mood is +60. Great with Booty researched.

3. Units
a. You should only use this when you're first starting out. Doesn't really help that much later ingame, its actually more productive to use the resources gained to make troops, unless you need emergency defensive troops, but even then the most you can get is 8 swords or archers. (not very helpful)

4. Expansion
a. In the beginning, get farms to level 3 with extra resources (ex. You have 4000 wood, 200 stone, 3000 silver; Send 3500 wood and 2500 silver to farms, and then loot farms)

5. Trade
a. Never used it, never will. More productive to give extra resources to farms.



Best Farming
With a level 6 Farm, with Booty researched, you can Loot 1666 of each resource from 8 farms using the 8 hour option
Thats 13328 of each resource. Its quite the load. Now thats some $$$ in your pocket that's ready to be used.


CLEARING FARMS
Sorry Guys, but everyone has to do this. Even if people on your island have already cleared it, you still have to do so also.

So here's what you're looking at in the line-up.
Photo Courtesy of Grepolis Wiki

So what if you want to make a defensive city??? You can't defeat these guys with defensive troops! Unless you want to lose a mass amount, and set yourself back in growth. No! There has to be an easier way. Well there is, and I'm gonna tell you it. It lies with a perfect amount of offensive troops. That's right, you can eliminate these pests and be worry-free!

Just build 805 slingers!
You should be left with just 4 slingers then! Use them for a fake! PERFECT. You can now conquer farming villages using your defensive cities! That's only 44275 wood, 80500 stone, 32200 silver!

That might seem like a lot, but trust me. Its only about 3 full warehouses worth. You can build 805 slingers in less than a week! or 2 weeks if you aren't as active. Just think, All 8 Farming villages will be yours in 2 weeks or less! Recruit Now!

Who would have thought that 2.0 Farming would be so easy! Now you know! Spread the word!

Loot, Build, Expand, Wait, Loot, Recruit, Expand. (For single-city players, gaining all 8 farms is always unique to that player. There is no perfect way as I do not know your intentions when you're first starting out)

The highest you should aim to expand your farming villages is Level 5!

After that, you should only donate resources to a farming village if you have a full farm AND extra resources from a city festival.

Once all farms are level 6, you're in paradise! Start trading with players


JKP3nt's Advice:
My thoughts:

• I would suggest never using demand troops except in a dire defensive situation when you are sure so few troops can actually help you.
• You loot at 40% mood? In Tau I had 2 FVs revolt at 79% mood when I only actually looted from 5 or 6 FVs
• Personally, I disagree with your views on the trading. trading with FVs is a quick, profitable way to get the resources you need.
• At one point, under "Best Farming" you claim that at FV level 6 you will get 13328 of each resource. You forget to cite that that is at the 8 hour option.
• "Just build 805 slingers" is a bit hard for a player just coming out of BP. Could you adjust it to make it applicable to both newly conquered, high point cities as well as single city players?
  
• And just a thing I want to suggest adding: When going to sleep or going away for at least 8 hours, it is a good idea to have already looted the FV far enough down so the mood does not hit 100 and not increase for a few hours.
  Example: It is almost time to go to bed, and my FV has 90% mood on a speed 2 world. If 8 hour demand and go to sleep now, then ~halfway through my sleep, the FV will hit 100, and then for the rest of the time I am asleep, it will not increase in mood, effectively wasting resources. So, I do a 10 minute loot, which gets it down to 78%. Because I usually do not sleep for 11 hours, I then do an 8 hour demand and wake up to a mood in the high 90's, but not hitting the top

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Voila, there you go! That's the 2.0 Farming Guide. The only big change to 2.0 strategies. Only overviews and handlings are different in 2.0. That and the Gods and Mythical Units. But I've already covered that! Happy Hunting!

 

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Final Word

NOW THAT YOU'VE READ THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO:
1. Mail your comments and ideas to Cobble!
2. +Rep him for putting countless hours into making this guide possible and even bothering to post a guide
3. Spread the word to other players so that they might be able to use these strategies!
4. Rate this Guide by mail or rep
5. Thank Cobble
6. Put these Strategies to use ASAP!!!!!!
7. As always, Have a nice day



Other various Guides i strongly recommend.

Guides
The Conquering Guide By Darksunx
Transports Guide By gadzooks
Naval Combat Guide By Malevolent
Being Farmed & Farming By Uona
Unit Overview and Builds By Odoakar
Grepolis Wiki By Grepolis

ALSO: If you could please fill out this survey and mail your responses to Cobblemix, that would be GREATLY appreciated. This lets me know alot of things and I can improve the guide.. I know you just got done reading a bajillion pages, but please, fill it out.

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Thank you for your time. Your feedback will improve the guide for others and yourself

Cobble's Many Thanks and Gratitude!!

I personally would like to thank all of the following users/players who have helped made this wonderful guide possible!!!

Gold Thanks
Legionreturns
Yondo
Willcx
JKP3nt

Silver Thanks
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Aurave
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Bronze Thanks
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A Personal Thanks to Mike62, who kept me going through his indirect words:
Every guide is welcome in the game, they make interesting reading, no-one person is allowed to make them and i say if youve made one yourself dont criticise when others do it.

This guide would not have been possible without you guys. Thank you so much!!!!

THE END

Yours truly, The one, The Only,
COBBLE



Reviews

ghost180

this is great guide. It shows you the benefits of each unit in battle. I recommend everybody read this so they know what and not to put there time and resources in.

Roaring Whisper

I dont agree with all the points, but your rep should be higher for even bothing to post a guide.


b0b0

thanks alot for your guide.It's just great.
I only started playing a few days ago so i'm pretty sure i'll appreciate it even more further on in the game.


Fenris

Hats off to Cobble
Hats off to you for your admirable Big Grepo Guide.

Grepolis thanks you


Legionreturns

Thanks for doing this, Nice guides, I have always enjoyed them

NOTICE:

Since Grepolis 2.0 is obviously very important, I will need to add it to my guide if I wish to maintain this guide as a "Good", even "Great" guide. SO: I will be accepting ANY work of guide material THROUGH MAIL! PM ME ON THESE FORUMS.

There is no guarentee that your work will make it into my guides, but you will have a shot at eternal glory! I will look through EVERY piece of work submitted. If you have any questions, feel free to mail me on these forums. If your work is selected, or deemed worthy, I will contact you for further information regarding the guide.

This submission is open to ALL players, young and old, weak and strong, normal and forum mods. Again, all work will be considered. The main part of your submission should be about strategies and techniques in 2.0. HOWEVER: I will also be considering work regarding 1.26, and material regarding EVERY WORLD.

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to reading your work. I will be creating the MAJORITY of the 2.0 sections, so that this is still mainly My work, but I'm opening my gates to other people who want to voice their strategies and be heard. This is a great opportunity to get your reputation up on Grepolis.

Thank you, and have a nice day
Cobble

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