Bainh I don't get you?
You say lets not flame Nwinder but if you look back at all his post?
99% of the post are flaming others and then they respond to defend. When they confront Nwinder with evidence he makes up even more stories or just doesn't reply. You might want to go back and read all the topic and see who really started them when it comes to flaming Nwinder.
Second you say you have lost a lot of respect for many players through their activities on the external forums. I'm amusing I'm one of them?
But best you look back
If it wasn't for us you most likely wouldn't be around or at least you would be starting on the outer rim and at that time most likely on the east side if any.
Now let me tell you what Huns helped you do since you seem to forgot who really helped you.
First: Sparky helped you out many times in the past and he risked his cities to defend yours in an enemy's territory. Yes he kicked you out but it was not just you it was everyone. That was nothing against you but he never attacked you like Nwinder. He was only concerned for information leeks as any leader would be.
Now Let you know what I helped you with
When the witch hunt was on for you I was the only one who stood between you fallowing and starting over. I fought for you when everyone claimed your cities and Nwinder wouldn't let it go. After we talked and you understood that in order to be in our alliance the leaders didn't want any member to bully people. You said you understood and that and you would change. I believed you but Nwinder and others only wanted your cities.
SO because I had faith in you, I made you a leader even when everyone wanted you out of SG, Nwinder was really mad about that but I stood my ground to make sure you had a fair chance to prove your self once again.
I could go on about you but you know how things were and yet you come on this forum and make it like you were never helped or the help that people gave you didn't mean anything.
But yet you are willing to defend a guy and even fallowed that guy who only wanted to have you cast out of Delta and let's not forget he attack you and SG. He uses the excuse that I didn't help you and left you. If that was the case and I didn't care about you? I would of never Made you a leader or take any of your cities and give you mine.
Anyway the Huns never attack SG only when they attacked first. Huns protected you when others wanted you to be gone I gave you my nice cities to help you and took crappy cities back just because your were a so called friend. Then you attack me with the city that I gave you.
So bianh please don't come on here and talk like you don't flame anyone as we all can read your post from past and also those message when you picked on smaller players.
You are a good player bianh, I will give you that and I thought you were a friend. But it's really sad to see how fast you forgotten the people that really helped you and how you will talk about the ones that wanted to kill you and hunt you down as your friends.
That just makes me shake my head!
You act like I don't remember anything you and the Huns did for me? I remember those things well, I just laugh when players like channy and Greco use their name games, going Nwhiner that and Nlier this. Those are some the things that made me lose respect of these players.
I have not lost my respect of you Orian, not in the way you think. I am just deeply saddened by some of your actions. I know you are a great player, and I remember all the help you gave me. You stood up for me, you took a city of me that was deep in enemy territory, and you trusted me. And I trusted you, buddy. You were my friend, and you helped me out so much. But when you left SGE for the Huns, saying that you did so to protect us, I was so confused. I lost sleep trying to figure out why you left SGE for the Huns. From looking on the externals and from checking out others' perspectives on the issue, I figured that you had been leading the alliance to join the Huns yet again, by starting with the neutrality thing, and then you left to join them on a nonexistent excuse. That was the thing that broke it, buddy. If you really loved SGE you would not have done so.
And I have flamed people in the past here, but I have backed up what I said with logic and information, not with immature catcalls like "Nlier and Ncrier." I'm sorry, I must have been unclear with my idea of flaming. I meant what Greco and others are doing, sitting back, outside of the game, and using immature methods to attempt and destablize a player.
And yes, when I had started grepolis and started getting more active, I was not nice to smaller players outside of my alliance, and I learned, by being kicked out of my alliance, to change my ways. And I do not do so anymore.
And Nwinder, he showed to me that he was not what I thought he was. I thought he was what you told me he was, a manipulative, evil, player. I thought he was mean to be attacking me and trying to rim me, but when he joined SGE, I learned that he was not at all like I thought. He was in actuality, a good player, a good leader, and a good friend.
And if I remember correctly, when Sparky and Greco helped me, you didn't help at all. You were busy arguing with Nwinder about SGE breaking from LoC, etc, etc.
You were my friend, Orian, and you still are, but I don't see the logic in some of your arguments, and I am no longer on your side alliance-wise, so I don't feel the need to support you, Greco, or any other player that is here, besides those that make good arguments in my eyes.
