Considering how many abortions and pregnancies there have been in my family, I know how traumatizing it is for people to learn that future family member is gone. How many cousins and second cousins were gone, number of cousins could probably be double. Imagine the trauma of telling your kids that you had an abortion because you didn't feel like taking care of it. They have feelings too, and losing a sibling hurts. Is even worse if you learned that there exit from the world was because your parents planned it that way.I'll limit my rebuttal to abortion in case of rape.
I've been browsing through these pages, and I think I can conclude none of you is a woman who would suffer from an unwanted pregnancy. If I'm wrong, please let me know who the female is. I love how some of you think being pregnant is a walk in the park ("why not just have the baby, she can put it up for adoption!") while it's quite taxing on her body, completely putting aside the obvious emotional burden on the woman if the child wasn't wanted, feeling no love for it, hating that it's growing inside them. Do you have any idea how traumatizing that is? So if she decides to abortion, another invasive procedure, don't you agree that's entirely HER decision?
Is it killing? Yes. Murder? No, cows can't turn into people. Also the baby can respond to pain, just click here.this is simple
a cow has more cognative ability than a fetus it feels pain and is often aware its about to be slaughterd
is that murder ?
A fetus a person? Well tell me what else it can be. Not an animal, not a plant, not bacteria. Looks like the only other living thing would be people, therefore it is not being defined more than it is.is a fetus a person a human being ?
should it be defined as more than it is ?
why do humans have more rights than other life forms is that fair ?
what are the rights of the host, do they lose all rights after conception ?
^ThisAlso your premise of this being an argument for Christian ideals is terribly ignorant, I have argued that abortion is murder throughout this thread yet am not a religious person in the least.
Not sure what country this is so can't dispute it. Here in America though abortions rates have been decreasing, and laws in some states have more heavily restricted when an abortion can happen. Roe v Wade said that the constitution had no say in the privacy of a woman and her doctor, doesn't mean that abortion is right. Just means the Constitution was made when abortions weren't even possible and therefore it wasn't included. Although it does say that everyone has the right to life, happiness, and the pursuit of happiness. Which are being denied when ending a pregnancy.for the record im pro abortion
and thankfully sanity agrees with me in my country. greater minds than ours debated it and saw sence enough to make it law
Sorry, buddy. But I think if you tell your children you had an abortion because you were raped, I think they'd understand. Wouldn't you understand if your mom told you?Considering how many abortions and pregnancies there have been in my family, I know how traumatizing it is for people to learn that future family member is gone. How many cousins and second cousins were gone, number of cousins could probably be double. Imagine the trauma of telling your kids that you had an abortion because you didn't feel like taking care of it. They have feelings too, and losing a sibling hurts. Is even worse if you learned that there exit from the world was because your parents planned it that way.
What about when you have to many abortions that when you want a kid you are no longer able to? That has happened, and now cousins of my parents can't have kids and start families like they want to because of the choice the woman made in the past. I remember my mom telling me how sick one of my aunts was after she had an abortion at 17, aren't those things taxing on the body? Or the burden of being forced to go to abortion by someone else and then living with that for the rest of your life?
I agree with this. Anything uncontrollable should be considered "an act of God" while the person should be punished for things like this that are controlled and done on purpose.Recently received this objection:
There stands an objection to stating that knowing the potential consequences of an action, yet doing the action anyway makes the individual responsible for the consequences should they occur.
They propose a situation of a car which I know has the astronomical possibility of the breaks failing. Should the breaks fail, I was aware of the consequence of brake failure and therefore am responsible for the consequences that result from the brakes failing – following my reasoning.
The issue comes about that I am placing too much blame on the individual. The problem with this objection is that some scenarios are compared to the other without the situations being parallel.
My reply: if things which natural occurrence are impeded in order to avoid a consequence, yet the consequence still comes about, the individual, if knowing the possibility of the consequence, is responsible for the consequence.
As it is not a natural occurrence for the car’s breaks to fail, I cannot be obligated to be responsible for those consequences. However, if having sex, and I am impeding the natural result of sex, which is impregnation, and were impregnation to still occur, I am responsible for the consequence.
I agree with the part about abortion being murder, but the death penalty is reserved for those who killed many people or something of the same level.Abortion is murder just as much as the death penalty. And the fact that such a penalty is deliberated by a jury, just makes it so much worse.
Murder ,according to experts C. Bieker and E. Hernandez, is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought. This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter. In some U.S. states, laws regarding murder are determined by the Model Penal Code. - Wikipedia
"Without justification or valid excuse" - this one is debatable, it may apply here, depending on whether you consider it possible to have a valid excuse or not.
"unlawful killing of another person with malice afterthought" - definitely not.
In most states abortion is legal, and how many women relish the idea? Surely not that many.
I must ask when is a fetus choosing death? I mean, forcing people to never experience life at all because of YOU not wanting them, that is wrong.But my question is therefore this: who gave us the right to decide on someone else's life or death? What makes us a better judge than them?
We don't have the right to decided anything for them. Hence why I would say let the fetus live. Doing anything else is interfering with the fetus' "choice". Idk if that would qualify as choice but it's fair to assume it is.But my question is therefore this: who gave us the right to decide on someone else's life or death? What makes us a better judge than them?
One killing his or her self is just as bad as killing another. Nobody has the right to end someone else without a valid reason.What you're saying is contradicting what you've already said: that any life is better than none.
In that alone, you are judging those who wish to end their own lives. Yet you say that we don't have the right to do so.