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[DeletedUser54702]

What does that have to do with anything?
And why are you trying to change the subject, did I hit a nerve? Did I actually make a good point?

If we have half of our top players simming then you must have at least two thirds of all your players simming.

Hahaha so you say 2/3rds of our team are simmers?

30 out of your 46 players are simmers and deadweight according to kal

Thats a little over 65% of your entire team both branches. Thats pretty darn close to 2/3rds

 

[DeletedUser54537]

Can you please share some light on this you said we are fight a sandel an alliance and we are takin advantage because we 3 times their size, what I want you to shade light on you all are fighting Turtles aren't you 4 times their size? can you share some info here on this

I said you were taking advantage on TF, 22 times their size
Turtles are allied with you so we are technically still fighting MGGA.

 

[DeletedUser54192]

Kal why dont you answer are you dodging those statement I posted above hahahahahahaha

Please could you actually read my posts before replying to them?


Turtles are working closely with MGGA, including receiving significant defensive support. So we're basically fighting a 5-branch team, composed of 4 MGGA alliances and Turtle for Hire.

If Turtles were receiving no help from MGGA, I would agree with your point. But given that they are, for all strategic purposes, a 5th branch of MGGA, your point is void.

And you conveniently ignore where i call you out on the fact that noobs ops are so laughable due to the fact over 22 of your main branch members are simmers your words

And even worse only 3 members in your second branch have a higher bp ranking than points

Kal: "If your BP ranking is lower than your points ranking you are clearly not pulling your own weight and are a simmer"

So, more hypocrisy from Deus.
- Whenever you get presented with an argument or piece of evidence that you don't like, you ignore it. Example: both you and Shaz have ignored my point that MGGA/Turtles are allowing one of their players to be farmed and stone-hailed by a member of Noobs. that is over 150 ranks lower than your player.
- You argued against my definition of simming when it was aimed at MGGA players, yet you now adopt it when it is convenient for you.
- You made excuses for the fact that, when you made your 3rd branch, there were only 2 players with higher BP than points. That's 2 out of what was a basically full branch, compared to 3 out of 11. And one of those players is rather high on the attack rankings, considering that she is basically only on the Noobs front and in your safe areas, and she isn't attacking us.
- You said MGGA were going to OP us. We never saw one. You had plenty of players near enough to us to run an OP, and yet you didn't.

I also have a question for you: how are we supposed to get BP if you continue to hide in pre-stacked cities and make no effort to fight us? You would call us stupid if we attacked heavily stacked cities. You have an accusation for every situation, most based on hypocrisy, taking things out of context, or twisting the truth.

 

[DeletedUser54537]

Hahaha so you say 2/3rds of our team are simmers?

30 out of your 46 players are simmers and deadweight according to kal

Thats a little over 65% of your entire team both branches. Thats pretty darn close to 2/3rds

You didn't answer my first quote

At least we don't cannibalise for BP (except the Haina case)

 

[DeletedUser51786]

Turtles are their own alliance so how can you say you all are fighting MGGA, when turtles took Noobs cities did MGGA help? Turtles took Noobs cities on their own the core group of players turtle have are better than Noobs any day anytime. AND I REPEAT TURTLES ARE THEIR OWN ALLIANCE

 

[DeletedUser54192]

Turtles are their own alliance so how can you say you all are fighting MGGA, when turtles took Noobs cities did MGGA help? Turtles took Noobs cities on their own the core group of players turtle have are better than Noobs any day anytime. AND I REPEAT TURTLES ARE THEIR OWN ALLIANCE

When Turtles defended against Noobs, did MGGA help? Yes, when we took Turtle's cities we found incoming support from MGGA members.

Who would you say are in this core group of players in Turtle for Hire?

 

[DeletedUser54537]

Lets assume Turtles are their own alliance, we are still beating them.
We are indeed 4x their size but MGGA also fight alliances smaller than them, which is everyone at this point

 

[DeletedUser51786]

Please could you actually read my posts before replying to them?
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Turtles are working closely with MGGA, including receiving significant defensive support. So we're basically fighting a 5-branch team, composed of 4 MGGA alliances and Turtle for Hire.

If Turtles were receiving no help from MGGA, I would agree with your point. But given that they are, for all strategic purposes, a 5th branch of MGGA, your point is void.


So, more hypocrisy from Deus.
- Whenever you get presented with an argument or piece of evidence that you don't like, you ignore it. Example: both you and Shaz have ignored my point that MGGA/Turtles are allowing one of their players to be farmed and stone-hailed by a member of Noobs. that is over 150 ranks lower than your player.
- You argued against my definition of simming when it was aimed at MGGA players, yet you now adopt it when it is convenient for you.
- You made excuses for the fact that, when you made your 3rd branch, there were only 2 players with higher BP than points. That's 2 out of what was a basically full branch, compared to 3 out of 11. And one of those players is rather high on the attack rankings, considering that she is basically only on the Noobs front and in your safe areas, and she isn't attacking us.
- You said MGGA were going to OP us. We never saw one. You had plenty of players near enough to us to run an OP, and yet you didn't.

I also have a question for you: how are we supposed to get BP if you continue to hide in pre-stacked cities and make no effort to fight us? You would call us stupid if we attacked heavily stacked cities. You have an accusation for every situation, most based on hypocrisy, taking things out of context, or twisting the truth.

I dont understand one thing you posted here, and yet again you dodge what we posted regarding Noobs bottom half and some hig points players, you said it was directed at us here in MGGA, but last I saw we have moved up significantly what have your players being doing ammmmmmmmmmmmm simming as you stated, I am only quoting what you stated few pages ago comparing BP ranking to Actual points.

So before you wirte another BS, just answer me this

YOUR METHOD OF COMPARING BP TO ACTUAL POINTS DOES THIS ONLY APPLIES TO MGGA OR IS IT FOR ALL ALLIANCES INCLUDING NOOBS & NOOBS.

THAT IS ALL I WANT ANSWER FROM YOU

 

[DeletedUser51786]

You didn't answer my first quote

At least we don't cannibalise for BP (except the Haina case)

Notmad if you dont know something please dont respond you are only making your self look like an idiot I have messages from Noobs player admitting to killing off their own troops please dont answer if you don't know

 

[DeletedUser54537]

Fair enough

 

[DeletedUser51786]

When Turtles defended against Noobs, did MGGA help? Yes, when we took Turtle's cities we found incoming support from MGGA members.

Who would you say are in this core group of players in Turtle for Hire?

If you dont know Turtles for Hire players have lots of friends in MGGA branch and even Shady Hades we have a long history together playing many worlds does this answer your question Pet Turtle

 

[DeletedUser54537]

If you dont know Turtles for Hire players have lots of friends in MGGA branch and even Shady Hades we have a long history together playing many worlds does this answer your question Pet Turtle

So they are working with you

 

[DeletedUser51786]

Fair enough

Thank you

 

[DeletedUser51786]

So they are working with you

Working together? Both alliance are separate entities we both have different goals and objectives we are not working as one if that answers your questions I have friends in their from playing many servers if a friend of mine ask for help I will definitely help him/her.

Can I ask is it wrong to help a friend that is getting attacked by an alliance 4 times their size

 

[DeletedUser54537]

Thank you

No problem

but can I just say, about my accusations of MGGA cannibalising, this is due to the fact of me not being many attacks coming from your alliance and your alliance players such as maxi and DP rising very quickly in BP, of course they are not the only ones, just examples.

As I know that those players are not located near Shady or northern alliances and southern alliances such as Tf and Sandels are massive turtles and dodgers I wonder how they got BP so quickly and so much.

 

[DeletedUser51786]

You know me and you know I don't speak for no one but myself, if you need clarification on this I believe you need to speak to the person directly I have called out Kal because of the statements he made regarding BP from Actual Points, up to now he have not answered me just dodging and dodging.

 

[DeletedUser54192]

I dont understand one piece of BS you posted here, and yet again you dodge what we posted regarding Noobs bottom half and some hig points players, you said it was directed at us here in MGGA, but last I saw we have moved up significantly what have your players being doing ammmmmmmmmmmmm simming as you stated, I am only quoting what you stated few pages ago comparing BP ranking to Actual points.

So before you wirte another BS, just answer me this

YOUR METHOD OF COMPARING BP TO ACTUAL POINTS DOES THIS ONLY APPLIES TO MGGA OR IS IT FOR ALL ALLIANCES INCLUDING NOOBS & NOOBS.

THAT IS ALL I WANT ANSWER FROM YOU

Would you like to shout any louder?

Actually, I did address it. I pointed out that both you and Deus are happy to use that definition on us, while having said in the past that it doesn't apply to your own team. Would you call yourself a simmer, as this definition would also apply to you? I also asked a question, which no-one seems keen to answer: how would you suggest we get BP without:
- attacking pre-stacked cities (which is basically every MGGA city in O55 or on the 45/55 border), which you would then mock us about.
- cannibalising our own troops, just for BP.

Before you jump up and down and scream about Hainamiis, I will point out a few things:
- We posted evidence that your idol, ErikW, has been cannibalising troops purely for BP, on a much larger scale.
- MGGA did not post reports of Hainamiis pulling empty transports from QuantumGorilla's city, because it would undermine their agenda.
- We killed the troops as part of a respecialisation, not as a regular method of gaining BP. You've seen plenty of evidence of Hainamiis attacking and defending and supporting. On the other hand, you have players such as Maxi, who has a suspiciously high ABP count for a player who is not attacking the only alliance she is actually on a border with.

Shaz, you seem to have some rather odd arguments:
- Noobs and Shady Hades are in a coalition together, despite the fact they are clearly at war with each other.
- MGGA and Turtles are not one family/coalition, despite the fact that MGGA players have been sending large amounts of defensive support to Turtles players, and definitely have a friendly relationship with them.

 

[DeletedUser54702]

Please could you actually read my posts before replying to them?
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Turtles are working closely with MGGA, including receiving significant defensive support. So we're basically fighting a 5-branch team, composed of 4 MGGA alliances and Turtle for Hire.

If Turtles were receiving no help from MGGA, I would agree with your point. But given that they are, for all strategic purposes, a 5th branch of MGGA, your point is void.


So, more hypocrisy from Deus.
- Whenever you get presented with an argument or piece of evidence that you don't like, you ignore it. Example: both you and Shaz have ignored my point that MGGA/Turtles are allowing one of their players to be farmed and stone-hailed by a member of Noobs. that is over 150 ranks lower than your player.
- You argued against my definition of simming when it was aimed at MGGA players, yet you now adopt it when it is convenient for you.
- You made excuses for the fact that, when you made your 3rd branch, there were only 2 players with higher BP than points. That's 2 out of what was a basically full branch, compared to 3 out of 11. And one of those players is rather high on the attack rankings, considering that she is basically only on the Noobs front and in your safe areas, and she isn't attacking us.
- You said MGGA were going to OP us. We never saw one. You had plenty of players near enough to us to run an OP, and yet you didn't.

I also have a question for you: how are we supposed to get BP if you continue to hide in pre-stacked cities and make no effort to fight us? You would call us stupid if we attacked heavily stacked cities. You have an accusation for every situation, most based on hypocrisy, taking things out of context, or twisting the truth.

Oh we know how you get bp, you kill your own troops like good little simmers.

Counterpoints to your gibberish:

-Ok so your player is getting some stonehails on a city. Whoop dee doo, definitely a huge victory!

-Hahaha and your definition of simming now places 65% of your alliance as simmers and deadweight

-So now it is noobs who are 65% percent simmers, and you are the one making excuses hmm? 22 simmers(By your own words) in your main branch, and 8/11 simmers in second branch(Again by your OWN definition)

-So i guess leaders are never allowed to change strategy? Did you know that starving an alliance of DBP is a long time tactic in grepo? We did it to shady, we are doing it to you. I can tell it frustrates you greatly

Thank you for feeding us BP though we really appreciate the fact most your players ALU nukes die in the harbor, and some aren't even escorted by LS at all!

 

[DeletedUser54192]

Oh we know how you get bp, you kill your own troops like good little simmers.

So you accuse us of it based on one case (a case which you actually presented biased evidence for), when it was an actual respecialisation, and ignore the fact that your own teammates are doing it without any purpose except to gain BP. I love your hypocrisy.

-Ok so your player is getting some stonehails on a city. Whoop dee doo, definitely a huge victory!

I'd say that it is disappointing that MGGA/Turtles players are not willing to prevent a teammate from getting farmed by a smaller enemy player. ("Some" in this case means almost 10k points lost from the target city. )

-So now it is noobs who are 65% percent simmers, and you are the one making excuses hmm? 22 simmers(By your own words) in your main branch, and 8/11 simmers in second branch(Again by your OWN definition)

Once more: you refused to accept the definition when it was applied to you and your teammates (it would actually apply to both you and Shaz at the moment), but say we must accept it while you don't?

-So i guess leaders are never allowed to change strategy? Did you know that starving an alliance of DBP is a long time tactic in grepo? We did it to shady, we are doing it to you. I can tell it frustrates you greatly

So basically, your strategy involves mocking Noobs as simmers, while using any possible strategy and excuse to avoid actually having a proper fight with them and prove your claims. Bravo!

 

[DeletedUser54537]

No one can deny that Kal has some very good counter arguments