Sometime ago I predicted that Upsilon was a world in it's death throws. I'm willing to admit that was slightly wide of the mark, although I still think there is some validity in the call. However one thing is clear, and that is this forum and a lot of the others are dead. the only posts in the last 7 days have been for the cretinous counting up / down to a thousand. If that is the most interesting idea people can come up with it's time to call it a day.