City Coordinates

[DeletedUser10837]

I've searched through the forums, I've seen the World Data. But it doesn't look as though the data files contain the exact coordinates for cities. Just the island coordinates and position on the island plus the island type.

Is the information on how to calculate the city position from the island info available somewhere, or is it a state secret? I've searched long and hard to no avail. People must have this info because there are travel calculators available for some of the worlds out there. I want to make some tools of my own and would really like to have this data if someone knows and can share.



D.E.S.

 

[DeletedUser]

Check this thread

Here the x/y offset for city positions is given relative to the island coordinates. This information originates from Rev and I dont know how he obtained it (I guess by carefully looking at the islands).

The exact algorithm of calculating travel distances between towns is indeed not yet common knowledge as far as I know.

 

[DeletedUser10837]

Thanks Xarandir. I saw that thread but thought since it was talking in pixels it might not be that accurate. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

 

[DeletedUser]

Its the best we have at the moment. Innogame seems to be not very responsive to requests concerning the details of algorithms, so we have to work with best estimates instead of exact data. Look at it this way: the challenge in programming is to get the estimates as accurate as possible

 

[DeletedUser10837]

You're right.

I wonder why I can't summon as much interest in my work-related programming?

 

[DeletedUser]

lol maybe you use the wrong spells? push the wrong buttons? talk to the wrong people?

What work-related programming do you do?

 

[DeletedUser5]

In response to a ticket submitted about this, I am going to try and find out about the algorithms, and if allowed, share them with you guys. I can't promise anything though, so don't hold your hopes up

 

[DeletedUser10837]

lol maybe you use the wrong spells? push the wrong buttons? talk to the wrong people?

What work-related programming do you do?

LOL. I work for a company that provides software for laboratory management. Mostly it's .NET programming.

For fun I use php/MySQL most often.

ac04: that would be really good if you get a response.

 

[DeletedUser]

I got the coordinates by carefuly looking at the islands, guessing and then correcting the positions. At that zoom level (1000x1000 pixels for each ocean) it's accurate enough, but if you're planning to calculate travel times, you'll need the coordinates for the in-game map view zoom level.

To grab those is actually easier, since you can extract information from the game itself.
By using Firebug (Firefox addon) or the built-in Chrome Developer Tools (press ctrl+shift+J) you can inspect the game map and get coordinates for islands...and towns. The offset between them is the in-island coordinate for each town.

Just inspect the map using the above mentioned tools, delete the transparente image they use on top of everything else, then inspect each element (towns etc...), like this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/121630/screenshots/web/island positions.png

Notice the "left" and "top" css properties...they're X,Y pixel coordinates. (relative to what, I don't know...up to whoever's gonna work on this to find out).

The ID property tells you the in-game coordinate (727,617 = ocean 76).

 

[DeletedUser]

Hey thanks rev for pointing this out, interesting stuff.
I dont have a lot of time atm, but i will definitely look into this.

I dont have a lot of time atm, and to be honest I got a little off-track when I discovered some nice features of python related software (like django) but it is my intention to continue work on the map program.

 

[DeletedUser21425]

Any chance I could have the actual city coordinates per city location 0-19 per island type?

 

[DeletedUser]

Spoiler: Town Data

Town Data

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1	451	130	0
1	351	168	1
1	261	230	2
1	193	268	3
1	201	317	4
1	220	396	5
1	290	393	6
1	364	401	7
1	453	459	8
1	519	498	9
1	601	463	10
1	682	462	11
1	752	441	12
1	827	410	13
1	886	347	14
1	857	289	15
1	812	202	16
1	728	226	17
1	780	283	18
1	751	319	19
2	321	183	0
2	326	103	1
2	407	98	2
2	510	68	3
2	619	75	4
2	687	100	5
2	750	130	6
2	794	165	7
2	774	229	8
2	740	297	9
2	734	366	10
2	681	387	11
2	550	410	12
2	480	408	13
2	314	393	14
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3	238	144	4
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3	214	353	7
3	298	391	8
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[DeletedUser21425]

OK! thanx.
Am I right in thinking that island types 17-36 are no longer in use, or have never been filled?
It is slightly different info I have from 2010.

 

[DeletedUser21425]

I'm looking for the formula to calculate distance between two cities for unit-traveltime. The attackplanner is too cumbersome when the number of cities rises. It takes far to much time to plan an attack. What I do now is use the attackplanner to see the traveltimes for transport boat in each city. I put them in Excel, where I have the formulas for the other ship-type traveltimes. In Excel I can get a quick view of what is possible, especially in attack/defense divisions and available time in RL. The most timesaving for me now, would be to be able to calculate the traveltimes accurately.

 

[DeletedUser]

I'm looking for the formula to calculate distance between two cities for unit-traveltime. The attackplanner is too cumbersome when the number of cities rises. It takes far to much time to plan an attack. What I do now is use the attackplanner to see the traveltimes for transport boat in each city. I put them in Excel, where I have the formulas for the other ship-type traveltimes. In Excel I can get a quick view of what is possible, especially in attack/defense divisions and available time in RL. The most timesaving for me now, would be to be able to calculate the traveltimes accurately.

Its really easy to do... I managed to work it all out and I started with nothing, however doing it in excel may not be the best approach.

To do what you want to do, you would ideally need all the "town" and "island" data as well otherwise you will end up doing a lot of stuff by hand.

 

[DeletedUser21425]

I'm starting that up now. I have my own cities and their position, it is easy to see a targets position once you have the set up of the islands. What I can't figure out what the basic speed is, at speed 1 or one of the others.
Is there a harbor sail-out time? all ships have a basic speed leaving the harbor.

 

[DeletedUser]

I'm starting that up now. I have my own cities and their position, it is easy to see a targets position once you have the set up of the islands. What I can't figure out what the basic speed is, at speed 1 or one of the others.
Is there a harbor sail-out time? all ships have a basic speed leaving the harbor.

Start by working it out for speed one... then you can multiple it up after that.

 

[DeletedUser21425]

I think I am going to need a little help with this one. I tried straight line, I tried circles around the islands, but it didn't help.

 

[DeletedUser]

I think I am going to need a little help with this one. I tried straight line, I tried circles around the islands, but it didn't help.

Try looking for a constant, their is a magic number that is added on to all travel times at speed 1, (it is halved for speed 2 etc..). Once you have this worked out you can then take that off all your travel times to try and work out the formula.

 

[DeletedUser21425]

from the difference between the different ship types I get a constant of 0:05:00.
But I can't get the distance right.