MGGA War Roster

MAC-9

Chiliarch
you are spinning it to accommodate your own faulty logic as always. being as we won, how can you competently criticize our strategies?

our number superiority has been a big topic here. you like to condemn your enemies' grouping together. its understandable. it makes us stronger and you weaker by comparison. so you must do everything in your power to try to stop it, reverse it, or degrade it. the only problem is, the only power you have is typing essays, aka propaganda. it is a legitimate defense, i can give you that, but by itself its really just a last resort.

no one has stated the obvious about it tho. synergy leadership deteriorated due to attrition. however sad, it happens. they were mopping the floor with everyone in their AO. poor decision making in TF made them believe that the leaders of the team that were getting man handled by synergy would be respected enough to lead them. this blunder threatened to leave a power vacuum that encompassed an entire core ocean on our border. it was naive of TF and whoever else was in that strategy session to believe that a name change would make the synergy players turn on an ally (MGGA) that had lived up to their word the entire world.

at that point, this was anyone's world. We could have ignored it and let the power vacuum sort itself out. This is what everyone else in the world wanted us to do. either a respected leader (or up and coming one) could have came out of o45 and took control of the situation and put the power balance back to where it previously was. or Noobs could have did what we did and grab the power as it was their neighboring ocean as well.

the choices were simple. leave it and hope the power balance remained as was (highly unlikely); leave it and noobs absorb o45 and the power balance shifts away from us; or we make the power grab and shift the balance in our favor. It does not take a genius to make the right call here.

the reason you don't hear this being discussed, is because the loudest mouth in the forum is still looking at individual points and cannot see the bigger picture. you are talking about moves and strategies that were made and implemented after the world had really already been decided. this is why no one takes you seriously.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
you are spinning it to accommodate your own faulty logic as always. being as we won, how can you competently criticize our strategies?
I criticised your fighting strategies. The one thing that you actually won was a simming competition. Again, I would point out that you were losing the war with Noobs all the way up until a load of our members left to take a break before the next server.

our number superiority has been a big topic here. you like to condemn your enemies' grouping together. its understandable. it makes us stronger and you weaker by comparison.
I don't think you get it. You act like what you are doing is something great or new. That's what your name claims. Yet mass-recruiting is nothing new, neither is simming. MGGA did nothing to actually make Grepo great again. It was just another MRA that outsimmed a bunch of fighter alliances.

no one has stated the obvious about it tho. synergy leadership deteriorated due to attrition.
Yes, Synergy was an MRA that fell. MGGA was an MRA that survived. That may well say that MGGA leadership was better than Synergy leadership but it doesn't actually change that MGGA was an MRA that focused on simming, turtling and winning by weight of numbers.

the choices were simple. leave it and hope the power balance remained as was (highly unlikely); leave it and noobs absorb o45 and the power balance shifts away from us; or we make the power grab and shift the balance in our favor. It does not take a genius to make the right call here.
Let's see:
- Given what the world already knew of Noobs' leadership, a move to scoop up remains of Synergy in 45 would have been extremely unlikely. A handful of players, maybe. But not scooping up anyone and everyone in that area.
- If MGGA had just scooped up the better players in that area, I don't think they would have gotten nearly as much criticism. It's one of the big points as to MGGA being an MRA: they picked up basically everyone, including some fairly obvious deadweight. And they made 2 new alliance branches to do it.

the reason you don't hear this being discussed, is because the loudest mouth in the forum is still looking at individual points and cannot see the bigger picture. you are talking about moves and strategies that were made and implemented after the world had really already been decided. this is why no one takes you seriously.
If you actually read this forum at the time of these events that you talk about, you would have seen that these points were heavily discussed by members of various alliances. MGGA were called out for recruiting almost everyone left in the remains of Synergy, no matter the skill level or location. It's what made it obvious that MGGA were going down the MRA route. We called you out on the mass-recruitment at the time and how it was actually unnecessary to pick up all of those players. MGGA leaders made a few excuses and changed the topic by personally attacking anyone who disagreed with them.
 

MAC-9

Chiliarch
you are just using buzz words as your argument for why we won and you lost. you call us winning, simming. kinda rhymes but it doesn't make it correct. you call what we did mass recruitment... i call it, Who the hell else would all those top players choose to follow? of course they wouldn't follow rx and her band of misfits. and whether or not noobs would have accepted these players, there is the question of whether or not those top players would actually want to join them. top players invest time, effort, and money into the game. why would they go join a team that "doesn't play to win". which correct me if im wrong, has been the mantra of the other major camps. no wonder we had all the top players on our side. we didn't win because of the amount of players; we won because of the amount of top players and commitment we were able to get from them.


and we were losing a war with noobs? i don't even remember a 'war' with noobs. charging your team into a third core ocean would have been a losing strategy. no wonder you suggest it.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
you call us winning, simming. kinda rhymes but it doesn't make it correct
Let's see. MGGA chose to sit and turtle in several cases rather than even make small counter-attacks. A couple of your big players were barely seen attacking (unless it was during an event). And you focused on WWs, which is a simming competition. So yes, it is correct to say that MGGA were simming.

you call what we did mass recruitment... i call it, Who the hell else would all those top players choose to follow?
A lot of the players that you picked up were not "top players" by any means. You picked up some top players, but you picked up obvious deadweight as well. That's why it was mass-recruitment.

top players invest time, effort, and money into the game. why would they go join a team that "doesn't play to win". which correct me if im wrong, has been the mantra of the other major camps. no wonder we had all the top players on our side. we didn't win because of the amount of players; we won because of the amount of top players and commitment we were able to get from them.
- A game is about enjoyment. I know players who invest a lot of time into this game to have fun, but don't see simming their way to a crown as something fun.
- Also, to say that you had all the top players on your side is a blatant lie. You had a higher proportion of the top points rankings, but it definitely wasn't all, and as you say yourself, it isn't all about points.
- Actually, you did win by weight of numbers. World Wonders is a numbers game. Whoever has access to the most favour and resources will win, unless they completely screw it up in some way.

and we were losing a war with noobs? i don't even remember a 'war' with noobs. charging your team into a third core ocean would have been a losing strategy. no wonder you suggest it.
You were down on conquests by a significant margin all the way up to the end of WWs. So yes, I would say there was a war. If you didn't notice that your team was in a war against Noobs, that suggests that you were doing nothing to help your teammates in that area. It's not that you charged into a 3rd core ocean. You recruited your way into a 3rd core ocean, and then lost cities both there and in O54.
 

MAC-9

Chiliarch
again. just using a buzz word so maybe the uninformed will lend weight to your claims. you use no actual facts to base your claims on. you seeing something or not has no bearing on whether or not it happened. i think you've proved that with your earlier ramblings.

if you open up the rankings. and you scroll all the way up to the top page, you will see that we dominate every statistic. thats called all the top players. im sure you dont see the top page of the rankings very much so i guess we can give you a pass on that one.

i gave express direction not to op noobs. but i guess we could have at least 'make small counter-attacks' as you suggest. it seems you are actually the tactical genius. who'd have guessed?
 
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DeusVult

Chiliarch
Let's see. MGGA chose to sit and turtle in several cases rather than even make small counter-attacks. A couple of your big players were barely seen attacking (unless it was during an event). And you focused on WWs, which is a simming competition. So yes, it is correct to say that MGGA were simming.
Get off this game if you can't handle a team winning the endgame. Your entire argument to base off that we are simming is that we won WW's.

I don't think you even know the people who you are talking to. You hold no respect, no one takes you seriously. All you do is talk, you have almost no skill in actually playing the game. The best you can do is brag about taking a handful of cities off turtles over 4 months ago.

It makes sense that the best players you can gather for your premade are some rim noobs from your failed MRA world coalition on en94.


Here I will throw a few cold hard facts around.

MGGA BP: 93 million

Noobs BP: 43 million


MGGA Main BP: 53 million

Noobs Main BP: 39 million


MGGA Main ABP: 32.5 million
Noobs Main ABP: 18 million


You must be some sort of fool to call an alliance a simming alliance when their Main branch alone outnumbers you by 14 million ABP.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
if you open up the rankings. and you scroll all the way up to the top page, you will see that we dominate every statistic. thats called all the top players. im sure you dont see the top page of the rankings very much so i guess we can give you a pass on that one.
Hmmm... If you scroll to the top page of the player rankings, you see several names that are part of other alliances. Or have you forgotten the meaning of the word "all"?


Get off this game if you can't handle a team winning the endgame. Your entire argument to base off that we are simming is that we won WW's.
And what about the appalling BP from some of your members? That's a pretty hefty sign of simming as well.

Here I will throw a few cold hard facts around.

MGGA BP: 93 million
Noobs BP: 43 million

MGGA had 4 branches for longer than Noobs even had 2...

You must be some sort of fool to call an alliance a simming alliance when their Main branch alone outnumbers you by 14 million ABP.
Didn't we also point out that members of your main branch were cannibalising their own troops for BP during the WWs (which you all but admitted)? And that some of your players have been doing it for months. You saw one of our players kill his troops once during a respecialisation. We found some of your players regularly getting large ABP scores without attacking the enemy (you do not need to respecialise that often). I think that would account for a decent portion of that BP gap...
 

DeusVult

Chiliarch
Didn't we also point out that members of your main branch were cannibalising their own troops for BP during the WWs (which you all but admitted)? And that some of your players have been doing it for months. You saw one of our players kill his troops once during a respecialisation. We found some of your players regularly getting large ABP scores without attacking the enemy (you do not need to respecialise that often). I think that would account for a decent portion of that BP gap...
So basically your entire argument is a conspiracy theory, you have no proof whatsoever of what you are claiming of all of MGGA cannibalizing bp.

You are as bad as the people who claim that anyone who is better than them is a botter.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
So basically your entire argument is a conspiracy theory, you have no proof whatsoever of what you are claiming of all of MGGA cannibalizing bp.

You basically justified cannibalising during the WW stage. And I am pretty sure that certain members repeatedly getting large amounts of ABP without actually attacking the enemy is very suspicious.

You are as bad as the people who claim that anyone who is better than them is a botter.
And now you resort to this. No, I am not. I am not accusing people of breaking the rules of the game. I am stating that it's rather obvious that some of your members are gaining a lot of ABP without actually attacking enemies (and that this ABP gain is often matched by a fairly significant DBP gain, which is more evidence towards them killing off their own troops).
 

DeusVult

Chiliarch
You basically justified cannibalising during the WW stage. And I am pretty sure that certain members repeatedly getting large amounts of ABP without actually attacking the enemy is very suspicious.


And now you resort to this. No, I am not. I am not accusing people of breaking the rules of the game. I am stating that it's rather obvious that some of your members are gaining a lot of ABP without actually attacking enemies (and that this ABP gain is often matched by a fairly significant DBP gain, which is more evidence towards them killing off their own troops).
Please show where I justified cannibalizing at wonders stage. You are either delusional or simply stupid.

How are you going to say we did no attacking? Reread the original post of this thread. We have done far more attacking than your loser alliance of noobs.

Make your own PnP thread showing this proof of yours or sit down and shut up because you have nothing. You are about as credible as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist living in his mothers basement.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
Please show where I justified cannibalizing at wonders stage. You are either delusional or simply stupid.
Attackers of Pagasae thread. You didn't actually say the words, I will grant you that. But whenever we pointed out that Dungeon was cannibalising, you excused it because it was the WW stage. You effectively accepted it on the grounds that it was the WW stage.

How are you going to say we did no attacking? Reread the original post of this thread. We have done far more attacking than your loser alliance of noobs.
I didn't say that the whole alliance did no attacking. But I pointed out that some MGGA members were getting an awful lot of ABP without any signs of them attacking enemies on those days. Dungeon and Maxi in particular. Also, I will again point out that you only went on the offensive against Shadies after you heavily outnumbered them, and that you only started seriously attacking Noobs after most of the players had left (with the exception of the WW-break attempt during the event). In each case, you wouldn't attack until you outnumbered the enemy by around 2-1. The fact that you list a 4-person alliance in your war roster is kind of sad. Your biggest victory was True Fear, when you massively outnumbered them. Phalanx, Sandels, Dost, etc - most of them are still around. You had to claim Shady Hades I as a morale victory to bump up your roster to find a powerful team that you "beat".

And again, you brag about the ABP, but when players like Maxi and Dungeon are cannibalising regularly, it's not a surprise.

Make your own PnP thread showing this proof of yours or sit down and shut up because you have nothing. You are about as credible as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist living in his mothers basement.
We showed the proof that players like Maxi and Dungeon were getting significant ABP without attacking their nearby enemies. You excused it as it was the WW stage, changed the topic and made a personal attack. We showed that lots of MGGA players were getting minimal ABP or had pretty poor BP for their size, and you changed the topic and personally attacked people. That's how basically every debate with MGGA has gone on this server. Someone criticises MGGA, and whichever MGGA representative is around changes the topic and personally attacks whoever criticised them.
 

BlackPest

Hipparchus
No one is home there


Mr. Kal will argue the colour of an orange just for the sake of argument!

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MGGA had 4 branches for longer than Noobs even had 2...

I dont know where you get your data from...can you show proof of above? Or just because you repeat it often will make it true!?
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
I dont know where you get your data from...can you show proof of above? Or just because you repeat it often will make it true!?
Well, it's actually very close (I honestly thought it was longer than a couple of days, but apparently not). I checked the alliance change dates of a few ex-Synergy players (Maxi, Cooper Man, King Gorm, Davidharrydad, Kledi81, ryanitis81, Jo Beserk). Most of them seem to have joined MGGA on 29th May when you absorbed the various remains of Synergy, which I believe is when you got your 3rd and 4th branches? Noobs' 2nd branch wasn't set up until 31st May, and from the looks of it, never went above about 22 members). So yeah, not that much of a difference, but it looks like I was right technically.

If I have got it wrong somehow and someone actually proves it to me (rather than personally attacking me) then yes, I will admit I was wrong.

(I used the pop-up windows of player/alliance stats that are part of the GRCRTools approved script.)
 

BlackPest

Hipparchus
I dont have nothing to prove, mate. Each one is free to believe in what they want to believe! But the real thruth will set you free...just saying!
 

MAC-9

Chiliarch
the fourth branch was created a little over a week after the third. we were going to stop at the third branch. but some artard thought that our old friends and allies would stab us in the back at their command. so they asked us to make more room.

and your analysis of numbers that you probably dont understand in the first place is not a sound basis to accuse people of cannibalizing their own. both maxi and dungeon are team oriented players. and it is really starting to sound like you are just jealous now.

oh and by the way. i've analyzed a whole bunch of numbers and have come to the conclusion that you have the itis. the hate us cause they ain't us itis. and that is a FACT!!
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
and your analysis of numbers that you probably dont understand in the first place is not a sound basis to accuse people of cannibalizing their own. both maxi and dungeon are team oriented players. and it is really starting to sound like you are just jealous now.
Hmmm. And just how would you explain large ABP gains (along with DBP gains at the same times) when a player is not attacking the enemy, and when it's not a game phase with lots of inactivity?

Also, saying that maxi is team-orientated is a bit of a laugh, at least on this server. When she was in Noobs she was contributing virtually nothing in terms of defense, and she wasn't a pure offense player so that excuse won't work.
 

MAC-9

Chiliarch
i see. you are jealous of maxi.


I call you out kal. i don't believe for a minute that you are capable of producing 800k bp in a manner sanctioned by the grepo gods. lets see all your reports cause without a proper count, i think you are the cannibal we've all been looking for.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
i see. you are jealous of maxi.
If you knew about what happened to do with Maxi in Noobs, then you'd understand just how ridiculous that is.

I call you out kal. i don't believe for a minute that you are capable of producing 800k bp in a manner sanctioned by the grepo gods. lets see all your reports cause without a proper count, i think you are the cannibal we've all been looking for.
All my reports? And this is from the team accusing me of being ridiculous.
If 800k BP is a suspicious total to have, wouldn't that entitle me to call out a total of 40 MGGA players? Yet I bet if I did that, you would say that I was being ridiculous.
 

MAC-9

Chiliarch
If you knew about what happened to do with Maxi in Noobs, then you'd understand just how ridiculous that is.


All my reports? And this is from the team accusing me of being ridiculous.
If 800k BP is a suspicious total to have, wouldn't that entitle me to call out a total of 40 MGGA players? Yet I bet if I did that, you would say that I was being ridiculous.
yea you. 400k abp aaaaaaand 400k dbp? sounds kinda fishy to me. i've crunched the numbers and its clear you are a cannibal. under the precedent set by you, i pronounce you guilty until proven innocent beyond an unreasonable doubt.

kannibal kal also uses spies. and in fact he is a spy himself. he is a russian spy.

also. i know that kannibal kal asked maxi to marry him and she said no. that's why he is so jealous of her.

good luck proving your innocence kannibal kal.
 

Kal Gordon

Phrourach
yea you. 400k abp aaaaaaand 400k dbp?
You do know that it would be almost impossible to artificially engineer a 1:1 ratio, right?

i've crunched the numbers and its clear you are a cannibal. under the precedent set by you, i pronounce you guilty until proven innocent beyond an unreasonable doubt.
I.e. you are resorting to reductio ad absurdum. I pointed out that it is fairly likely that maxi and dungeon were cannibalising because they were getting unusually high BP scores on certain days, that were matched with a decent DBP gain, on days they hadn't been seen to be attacking anyone. You are accusing me because you don't like me.

kannibal kal also uses spies. and in fact he is a spy himself. he is a russian spy.
Any proof of that? Because we did actually prove that Shaz used spies, and he is the only person that I actually accuse of directly using spies.

also. i know that kannibal kal asked maxi to marry him and she said no. that's why he is so jealous of her.
Even more hilarious given the context that you don't know. Also, I would be more worried about Shaz having some sort of obsession with me: he has now named quite a few cities after me, and insists on getting closer and closer to one of my cities.