DeletedUser13655
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Hello fellow grepo players!
I had a few thoughts that I feel that I should share and get your opinions on, I'm not looking for bashing but a well thought out discussion, and maybe opposing thoughts to my position
I would say that im a relatively new player, playing in 3 worlds at the moment, I wouldn't call myself a noob, but I'm no expert either.
I recently joined Xi, hoping that another speed 2 world would finally get some good action in terms of getting into a good alliance, active players, and an overall good time for playing Grepolis, just like I’ve been having before in epsilon. However once I joined Xi, I realized that this whole world was pre-made, and that to join as a beginner in the world (which is what grepolis suggests when first signing up)… I needed experience way past my time of 7 months playing; as I got denied from an alliance that found me not suitable because I did not play enough to be considered the best. I wouldn’t consider myself an expert by any means, but I’m no beginner either, I found it shocking that every alliance in Xi was pre-made; by leaders from worlds such as Alpha, Zeta, Gamma, so on and so forth. I know its not against the rules to discriminate on lack of expertise. However, why would a beginner join Xi, or any new world you come out with, when as soon as (s)he joins, and begins to learn the game, and then after weeks or months of playing finally gets to a conquering level, just to find out that they’ve been claimed and conquered a few days after. I realize the nature of this game is to conquer… not to make play dates, or to just play sim city. To make my point more clear on how unfair this is, I’ll link the pre-made forums before Xi even came out, and to other pre-mades from recent worlds.
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=14247
Ex 2.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=15648
Ex 3.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=12925
Example three is the most interesting of them all, not only are they looking for the best of the best. Which means fairness is completely undermined for players like myself, and others that have tried to join, but were denied because of “lack of experience”. To join such alliance you must submit your grepostats and if deemed worthy, only then will you be accepted.
For examples outside of Xi, these links are to world Mu.
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=12974
From the world Nu
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=13548
Ex 2.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=13874
This link blatantly points out that experience in another world, (over 150k points is necessary to join)
If you read in detail in the links that I just posted, all of them, give a restriction of some kind, whether it be by limited members, adding grepostats to your “invitation request prior to joining” the alliance etc. I realize this is part of the game, however you’re losing potential growth by new members that are joining grepolis. We were all inexperienced players in the beginning, we all started out as noobs. But we would never become experienced players if pre-made alliances wiped us off the map before giving us a chance. In Xi, if you are not experienced, you will not last long. And that is not an environment suitable for new players. Not only, since you are unable to join these “expert” alliances, getting wiped off the map, is not only a possibility, but a real threat to every player and alliance that is deemed not worthy, which leads to an unfair advantage.
I wouldn’t point out the problem if I did not think of a solution that should be at least considered.
1. No more forums on pre-made alliances should be allowed.
2. Gold should not allowed to be used for the first 2 weeks, minimum, I realize the idea is to give those people an advantage, but you’re giving the advantage to the people in the pre-made alliances.
3. No players, no matter their username, should not be allowed to join a new world at the very beginning, or if it comes to it, at all. Unless the remove their original account that is in another world.
4. The ability to choose your spot on the ocean should be removed and should always be random, to prevent players from trying to build up a base for their pre-made.
As you may not agree with some of the points, I believe it is important to understand that the people that are joining these new worlds you are opening are just “expert” players trying to dominate, rather than new members. All the inexperienced players get wiped out faster than you think, I believe it is frustrating for players that play for months, discover that all that effort was lost as that city is not their anymore. I believe it does not show a lack of skill in the players effort, rather the world the player was in, and the surrounding players. If you are unfortunate enough to be in an ocean full of pre-mades then your chances of survival and growth fall dramatically.
I don't mean to critize, mearly point out an issue that seems to surprise me. I'm looking for thoughts on this, whether you agree or disagree and why. I understand that not all members may not use forums or read forums that are being posted. Again, if I posted a link that is your alliance or that you are the leader of, don't rage, it was merely an example I found, no need for problems, i could of found numerous other ones posted in the forums just yours came first.
So which is it, domination or just the nature of the game?
I had a few thoughts that I feel that I should share and get your opinions on, I'm not looking for bashing but a well thought out discussion, and maybe opposing thoughts to my position
I would say that im a relatively new player, playing in 3 worlds at the moment, I wouldn't call myself a noob, but I'm no expert either.
I recently joined Xi, hoping that another speed 2 world would finally get some good action in terms of getting into a good alliance, active players, and an overall good time for playing Grepolis, just like I’ve been having before in epsilon. However once I joined Xi, I realized that this whole world was pre-made, and that to join as a beginner in the world (which is what grepolis suggests when first signing up)… I needed experience way past my time of 7 months playing; as I got denied from an alliance that found me not suitable because I did not play enough to be considered the best. I wouldn’t consider myself an expert by any means, but I’m no beginner either, I found it shocking that every alliance in Xi was pre-made; by leaders from worlds such as Alpha, Zeta, Gamma, so on and so forth. I know its not against the rules to discriminate on lack of expertise. However, why would a beginner join Xi, or any new world you come out with, when as soon as (s)he joins, and begins to learn the game, and then after weeks or months of playing finally gets to a conquering level, just to find out that they’ve been claimed and conquered a few days after. I realize the nature of this game is to conquer… not to make play dates, or to just play sim city. To make my point more clear on how unfair this is, I’ll link the pre-made forums before Xi even came out, and to other pre-mades from recent worlds.
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=14247
Ex 2.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=15648
Ex 3.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=12925
Example three is the most interesting of them all, not only are they looking for the best of the best. Which means fairness is completely undermined for players like myself, and others that have tried to join, but were denied because of “lack of experience”. To join such alliance you must submit your grepostats and if deemed worthy, only then will you be accepted.
For examples outside of Xi, these links are to world Mu.
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=12974
From the world Nu
Ex 1.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=13548
Ex 2.
http://forum.en.grepolis.com/showthread.php?t=13874
This link blatantly points out that experience in another world, (over 150k points is necessary to join)
If you read in detail in the links that I just posted, all of them, give a restriction of some kind, whether it be by limited members, adding grepostats to your “invitation request prior to joining” the alliance etc. I realize this is part of the game, however you’re losing potential growth by new members that are joining grepolis. We were all inexperienced players in the beginning, we all started out as noobs. But we would never become experienced players if pre-made alliances wiped us off the map before giving us a chance. In Xi, if you are not experienced, you will not last long. And that is not an environment suitable for new players. Not only, since you are unable to join these “expert” alliances, getting wiped off the map, is not only a possibility, but a real threat to every player and alliance that is deemed not worthy, which leads to an unfair advantage.
I wouldn’t point out the problem if I did not think of a solution that should be at least considered.
1. No more forums on pre-made alliances should be allowed.
2. Gold should not allowed to be used for the first 2 weeks, minimum, I realize the idea is to give those people an advantage, but you’re giving the advantage to the people in the pre-made alliances.
3. No players, no matter their username, should not be allowed to join a new world at the very beginning, or if it comes to it, at all. Unless the remove their original account that is in another world.
4. The ability to choose your spot on the ocean should be removed and should always be random, to prevent players from trying to build up a base for their pre-made.
As you may not agree with some of the points, I believe it is important to understand that the people that are joining these new worlds you are opening are just “expert” players trying to dominate, rather than new members. All the inexperienced players get wiped out faster than you think, I believe it is frustrating for players that play for months, discover that all that effort was lost as that city is not their anymore. I believe it does not show a lack of skill in the players effort, rather the world the player was in, and the surrounding players. If you are unfortunate enough to be in an ocean full of pre-mades then your chances of survival and growth fall dramatically.
I don't mean to critize, mearly point out an issue that seems to surprise me. I'm looking for thoughts on this, whether you agree or disagree and why. I understand that not all members may not use forums or read forums that are being posted. Again, if I posted a link that is your alliance or that you are the leader of, don't rage, it was merely an example I found, no need for problems, i could of found numerous other ones posted in the forums just yours came first.
So which is it, domination or just the nature of the game?
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