Toons wins a crown but I am disgusted with it

Discussion in 'World Carystus (en103)' started by FutbolTango, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    On December 18th, 2018, The New Chosen Toons won a crown. I was part of this alliance. I am simply disgusted with the way this crown was won and the way it is been cheapened. It is a huge shame on us and our community.

    First of all. Our leaders essentially decided to engage with NAP with almost everyone except Invicta, which has been sacked and showed no intention of ever fighting. There was no one to attack and no one that would attack us.

    Second of all. Our leaders started to trade world wonders like confetti. Other alliances that had a world wonder were offered the crown in exchange for their world wonder. Rather that us going a destroying their world wonder, we would go and ask for them to surrender it.

    Third of all. The world wonders of Invicta were essentially sacked by one individual. A lone fighter that broke away from Nocturnos because Nocturnos refused to attack Invicta. I also left Nocturnos because they explicitly told us to stop fighting.

    Fourth of all. Now we are destroying our world wonders so other "allies" can join. How many times is this going to happen?
    It can technically happy endless times. Thus, we will have people with crowns that literally did very little during the game.

    They just sat and sim the entire game. Now they are getting their "shiny" crown because they happened to be "good" players and did not attack us the Toons. Essentially, this is what is happening in this world. People getting crowns with zero fighting and defensive involvement.

    This is a complete shame. I enjoyed world wonders. I hate that this shameless practices brought it to an end.
     
  2. Ranga1

    Ranga1 Phrourach

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    Lol you hate it yet you did it?????? So you hate yourself?
     
  3. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    I do. I have had multiple altercations with the leaders of both Nocturnos and the Toons because they give me orders to stop attacking other players and alliances. They engage in NAP. I came back to the Toons because they were saying that the crown did not mean a lot to them. They wanted to learn to fight and engage in offensive operations. This is how I was lured back. Suddenly, the World Wonders got priority and hostilities were discouraged and NAP and passiveness started to overtake precedence. The last straw for me when they started to plan to destroy the wonderss so they could have multiple rounds for crowns of people, who literally did nothing other than not attacking. I am telling you. Many people are getting crown in this alliance or as an ally without doing anything major. In fact about one third of the alliance members were barely active and just logging in. Myself and Look Left and maybe there or for more of were the ones attacking. The rest simply sim and completely passive. For weeks, I was the only one posting on the offensive forums.

    I am not proud of this crown at all. This one is completely shameful. Nothing to be proud about it or brag about it.
     
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  4. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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      • Men of Carystus, I do object and condemn these shameful practices of indiscriminate Crown sharing and excessive NAP agreements. For these constitute a grave offence to the spirit of our beloved Grepolis.

        Those are the reasons that killed Grepolis as future generations of men will not live to witness these worlds now discontinued for these mere reasons.

        I am aware that those leaders who engage in those deplorable tactics are now plotting for my ostracism and execution. That I gladly look forward, for I rather die than in silence take part on such despicable actions.


        Men of Carystus, I honor and love you; but I shall obey Ares, God of War, rather than you, and while I have life and strength I shall never cease from the practice and teaching of attacking and launching war, exhorting anyone whom I meet after my manner, and convincing him, saying: O my friend, why do you who are a citizen of the great and mighty and wise game of Grepolis, care so much about laying up the greatest amount of friends and Non Attacking Pacts, and honor and reputation, and so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of your tactics, which you never regard or heed at all? Are you not ashamed of this? And if the person with whom I am arguing says: Yes, but I do care; I do not depart or let him go at once; I interrogate and examine and cross-examine him, and if I think that he has no virtue, but only says that he has, I reproach him with undervaluing the greater, and overvaluing the less. And this I should say to everyone whom I meet, young and old, citizen and alien, but especially to the citizens, inasmuch as they are my brethren. For this is the command of Grepolis, as I would have you know; and I believe that to this day no greater good has ever happened in the state than my service to Grepolis. For I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons and your properties and your friends, but first and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of your desire to conquer. I tell you that virtue is not given by your friends and allies, but that from attacking comes expansion and growth. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, my influence is ruinous indeed. But if anyone says that this is not my teaching, he is speaking an untruth. Wherefore, O men of Carystus, I say to you, do as Anytus bids or not as Anytus bids, and either acquit me or not; but whatever you do, know that I shall never alter my ways, not even if I have to die many times.

     
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  5. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    Calmly waiting for my death....

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    I guess you can watch my death from a far...but I can tell you those guys will not have it easy...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSgxo5ozD0

    and if you dare to join....be my guest...cowardice have no name...as only in a group you would be able to defeat me...

    I am actually looking for that honourable death as my troops will go to Elysium for their bravery of fighting alone...

    "And they live untouched by sorrow in the islands of the blessed along the shore of deep-swirling Ocean, happy heroes for whom the grain-giving earth bears honey-sweet fruit flourishing thrice a year, far from the deathless gods, and Cronos rules over them

    — Hesiod, Works and Days "
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    But you will know that you sent a man to fought for you and shared the field of combat with you by the mere fact that he disagreed with you with words...not even by actions...merely words...
     
  6. Raydium88

    Raydium88 Chiliarch

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    Next time, just don't take the crown. Perhaps you won't feel disgusted by it. I've turned down 2 crowns already because that's all they are... cheap, rotated and sold profile ornaments. Anyone can get masters, just by outlasting a world.
     
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  7. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    I will keep it and put an explanation. One crown won by an alliance with blood effort and warfare, and the other one won by appeasement.
     
  8. Raydium88

    Raydium88 Chiliarch

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    Actions speak louder than words... just saying.
     
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  9. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    You are right. I have to concede. It is a long journey for consistency.
     
  10. dadofwildthang

    dadofwildthang Phrourach

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    so you can quote Plato's " Apology of Socrates"Plato
    what was the point of your post?
     
  11. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    That you should try to figure out....but I am not quoting Nietzsche and also what happened to Socrates?
     
  12. StAthanasius

    StAthanasius Chiliarch

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    Noc got cheap crowns, so what? we all know who won this server ... perhaps, they should have competed with us when Invicta was still alive [​IMG] ... bunch of scared clowns
     
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  13. Harriden63

    Harriden63 Hekatontarch

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    Nope Noc got no crowns cheap or otherwise
     
  14. dadofwildthang

    dadofwildthang Phrourach

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    I understand now why the council is such a failure..
    this type of cryptic dung is corporate/ company speak
    no right, no wrong answer simply an empowerment tool to bring attention to ones self

    how sad
     
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  15. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    I should not that this is how you want to see it. Your response is more telling about you and your mental programming.
    I am not part of any company. In the words of Ancient Greeks:
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    "Make your own nature, not the advice of others, your guide in life"
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    Soc. Then my perception is true to me, being inseparable from my own being; and, as Protagoras says, to myself I am judge of what is and-what is not to me.

    Theaet. I suppose so.

    Soc. How then, if I never err, and if my mind never trips in the conception of being or becoming, can I fail of knowing that which I perceive?

    Theaet. You cannot.

    Soc. Then you were quite right in affirming that knowledge is only perception; and the meaning turns out to be the same, whether with Homer and Heracleitus, and all that company, you say that all is motionand flux, or with the great sage Protagoras, that man is the measure of all things; or with Theaetetus, that, given these premises, perception is knowledge. Am I not right, Theaetetus, and is not this your newbornchild, of which I have delivered you? What say you?

    Theaet. I cannot but agree, Socrates.
     
  16. dadofwildthang

    dadofwildthang Phrourach

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    to play your game just once... can you figure this one out?

    Jean-Paul Sartre > Quotes > Quotable Quote
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    “Man is nothing else but what he purposes, he exists only in so far as he realizes himself, he is therefore nothing else but the sum of his actions, nothing else but what his life is.”
     
  17. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    Well done...well done....well done.... for long time...I like him very much....know I tend to go in a different direction....that we do not choose our purpose and that the sum of our actions are mostly out our control....they are determined by biology or the social structures that shape or thought process....perhaps this is why the Noctunos and the Toons were driving me crazy...nothing worst than other people telling you what to do...specially if they are women....as then the whole issue with your mother stars to creep in...freedom is good...
     
  18. dadofwildthang

    dadofwildthang Phrourach

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    this comment is "DEGRADING and DEMEANING" to 1/2 if not more of the entire human race..
    In this time of Me too and other positive Feminine recognition groups, you espouse the line of Male superiority and male dominance..

    Shame on you
    you owe everyone on this forum an apology

    by way of note (excluding Philosophical BS) in real life, own your comments, make them "I" statements or in this case you would use "...my mother stars.."

    I
    have done the 50 minute hours wrt to my mother and yes freedom is good -- this is me owning my stuff

    I should report you, however I would like everyone to read your statement... It devalues anything you have said or will say in the future..
     
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  19. FutbolTango

    FutbolTango Hipparchus

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    I really do not understand why you are upset, when I am essentially asserting the premises of positive recognition groups.
    I am male and was raised by WOMEN. Most of my teachers were female. At home, I had my mother, aunts, grandmother, and older sisters telling me what to do at every moment of my life. Thus, when I have female leaders starting to act all motherly and dictatorial, then it bothers me a lot because of my own childhood.

    I do happen to known that for some males this is bothersome too. It is not the issue that "female" leaders are less capable or should not in positions of power. It is more our childhood issues.

    You can complain all you want about the patriarchy (which is valid), but you have to remember that Women themselves were the ones that raised must of us (i.e. at childcare, home or early years of schooling). Although they certainly loved us, they passed on to us certain traumas and biases.
     
  20. Raydium88

    Raydium88 Chiliarch

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    @FutbolTango stop digging a deeper hole mate... Goodness... What the hell did this thread turn into............
     
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