DeletedUser345
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Well im an idiot lol...when i scrolled over i just seen add new slot and assumed it was for a city slot.
my apologies
Haha, well everyone makes mistakes
Construction Cost Reduction Discussion Thread
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DeletedUser
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Had this issue with 2.0.
How many players play in grepolis? Apparently 20M.
How many people are on all the various forums? Maybe 20k... Tops.
That's 1% of the total player population... Assuming everyone voted.
So, a poll would hardly be a fair representation
StormVoort must feel strongly about the Construction Cost Reduction feature to ask for a vote on the matter.
Yet you seem to dismiss his suggestion by saying, 'a poll would hardly be a fair representation'.
Surely, what you say would have to apply to all polls held in this forum. So why hold them if they are not a fair representation?
Thibron
Phrourach
ok, Grepo "officials"...this game is starting to look like one that is so bent on increasing profits, it is becoming less fun to play. Basically, it gives the advantage to those with the most money. Why don't you just sell wonders directly? Log on, buy four wonders, become winner of the world in 5 minutes, then move to the next world...how fun
The last couple of changes have made the screen layout stink. First the menu is changed to the middle (from the left of the screen), then you cannot see the tabs on open screens like messages (forward, reply, delete), then it was just changed again and is just as screwed up as before...only differently. Instead of spending your time trying to figure out how to get more money, how about getting back to a user friendly screen?
The last couple of changes have made the screen layout stink. First the menu is changed to the middle (from the left of the screen), then you cannot see the tabs on open screens like messages (forward, reply, delete), then it was just changed again and is just as screwed up as before...only differently. Instead of spending your time trying to figure out how to get more money, how about getting back to a user friendly screen?
DeletedUser
Guest
When I look at my Senate now, looking for the best use of my ressources, I see those icons everywhere, like telling me "hey, you could make it better by putting some more money in". As a result, I have less fun. Because I know it's less about good play.
I'm a classical premium user, so I know I contribute to this game's existence. But it requires a whole set of balances for a game to remain fun and attractive in the long run. Each time grepo will make this kind of change, it will be the last straw that will make a number of players leave.
The point about the beginning of a world is a real one, and not only for "love of the art". When you begin in that game, you're less likely to use gold, because it is claimed to be free, because you don't know all the tricks, and because you don't know yet if you'll like this game in the long run. So if newcomers get disgusted from the start, there will be less recent players feeling involved, and the confirmed ones will be called back by RL someday.
Translation for finance and business holders: I can understand the idea of advertising about a free game, then turns out it is not really free, and the non-premium players get less and less from lack of perspectives. But not from the start, it's too soon. It's the time you have spent on your game and all that happened in it that makes you want to fight for it, and subscribe premiums to fight better. When you study the mistakes modern companies make, it's very often about too short-term thinking. Due to the way they tend to work nowadays.
About the comparison with World of Warcraft: it's not the same market. There they spend more money, but get flashes and pictures that make them forget about it (no offense meant). And some dramatically ruin their RL. Here it's a more calm game, with less income per player but available for the much wider market of people who have some RL (no offense meant, again).
I'm a classical premium user, so I know I contribute to this game's existence. But it requires a whole set of balances for a game to remain fun and attractive in the long run. Each time grepo will make this kind of change, it will be the last straw that will make a number of players leave.
The point about the beginning of a world is a real one, and not only for "love of the art". When you begin in that game, you're less likely to use gold, because it is claimed to be free, because you don't know all the tricks, and because you don't know yet if you'll like this game in the long run. So if newcomers get disgusted from the start, there will be less recent players feeling involved, and the confirmed ones will be called back by RL someday.
Translation for finance and business holders: I can understand the idea of advertising about a free game, then turns out it is not really free, and the non-premium players get less and less from lack of perspectives. But not from the start, it's too soon. It's the time you have spent on your game and all that happened in it that makes you want to fight for it, and subscribe premiums to fight better. When you study the mistakes modern companies make, it's very often about too short-term thinking. Due to the way they tend to work nowadays.
About the comparison with World of Warcraft: it's not the same market. There they spend more money, but get flashes and pictures that make them forget about it (no offense meant). And some dramatically ruin their RL. Here it's a more calm game, with less income per player but available for the much wider market of people who have some RL (no offense meant, again).
DeletedUser345
Guest
Perhaps innogames could introduce this premium feature a month or two into the world thus avoiding the issue where it unbalances the start of worlds?
DeletedUser
Guest
this is the worst devlopment you could come up with..out of all the great ones you select this
the game was a close one between player with and without gold but now premiums have a huge hand
cost reduction? this will totally ruin the game for the guys still in school with dads not willing to pay for gold and paying to win against ones with job
the game was a close one between player with and without gold but now premiums have a huge hand
cost reduction? this will totally ruin the game for the guys still in school with dads not willing to pay for gold and paying to win against ones with job
DeletedUser345
Guest
Well being one of those guys in school at the age of 16 I can't say this puts the balance out any further out of kilter, this game is still 100% more about activity than gold and as someone at school that is more in my opinion the greater limiting factor and always shall be.
DeletedUser
Guest
My opinion is that gold balances the game... Typically, people either have money or they have time. There are exceptions to this rule, but generally speaking this is the case. So, you have schoolchildren and unemployed people who can play almost as much as they want and then you have people in full-time work who don't have enough time for 5 minute farming, etc. but have some disposable income to lessen the gap.
DeletedUser
Guest
It very partly compensates. If you're not here to keep an eye on your cities, gold won't help you much. OTOH, from a certain size, the hourglass at each click will make it impossible to farm every 5 minutes.
I've been fond of strategy simulation games for long. It's always mostly about dealing with some virtual ressources to achieve other goals (growing, benefits, fighting etc). In the spirit of these games, something that can gain ressources from outside like this is cheating.
Different from classical premiums, which is kind of fee that compensates the costs, and that most ambitious players choose to subscribe.
So I feel this is denaturing the game. And from the comments here, many players feel this way.
TBH, now I've lost a lot of interest in this game.
I've been fond of strategy simulation games for long. It's always mostly about dealing with some virtual ressources to achieve other goals (growing, benefits, fighting etc). In the spirit of these games, something that can gain ressources from outside like this is cheating.
Different from classical premiums, which is kind of fee that compensates the costs, and that most ambitious players choose to subscribe.
So I feel this is denaturing the game. And from the comments here, many players feel this way.
TBH, now I've lost a lot of interest in this game.
It made me think of something along the lines, some premium that would only become available if you've subscribed x monthes of classical premiums. Kind of loyalty reward. More in line with customer relationship principles. I think the length of a world justifies it. Roughly 80% of players ghost before WW era. Probably a field of profit improvement for Inno...
DeletedUser23986
Guest
Inno somewhere said they "upgrade" the game to make it "attractive" for the majority of players. I fail to see, why, they fear to poll on it!
Petrilo
Phrourach
Nobody denies the right to Inno to profit from their product, but their current business model is to sell cheats for their own game. Ridiculous.
I hope that at some point in the future we would look back and laugh at this... 'good old times when you were able to get stronger units, instant units, buildings, almost anything and sometimes everything, for money... if you are were willing to spend. Now we are all equal, playing a fair game, even the poor beggars. Those who know, possess the skills have the advantage...' Not seeing this happening though, unless a lightning bold strikes Inno HQ and make them rethink what they are doing, or players revolt and do something about it.
I don't know why I even bother playing a game that is in it's core rotten.
I hope that at some point in the future we would look back and laugh at this... 'good old times when you were able to get stronger units, instant units, buildings, almost anything and sometimes everything, for money... if you are were willing to spend. Now we are all equal, playing a fair game, even the poor beggars. Those who know, possess the skills have the advantage...' Not seeing this happening though, unless a lightning bold strikes Inno HQ and make them rethink what they are doing, or players revolt and do something about it.
I don't know why I even bother playing a game that is in it's core rotten.
DeletedUser
Guest
You can always walk away.
DeletedUser
Guest
i noticed in my barracks in one of my cities my slinger troops i had started construction on are stuck in a negative count down instead of creating the troops and keeps counting down from -6, -7, -8 ....... and so on. Also the time is doing a negative countdown. i don't know who to write about this but its effecting my troop construction just in that one city.
DeletedUser27700
Guest
Try refreshing your screen.
If that doesn't work, file a ticket through support.
If that doesn't work, file a ticket through support.
Petrilo
Phrourach
Really? I didn't know that. Thanks man!
DeletedUser
Guest
as for walking away, there will be more fun and balanced games, in the world of browser games to play, if inno continues with it's premium-friendly politics. they are cutting the branch they sit on! it's not only about grepo, it's about all of their games they made
i can't think of any original ideas to keep players playing the game... gold for top attacker/defender/BPer of the day/week and month? prizes for players who played until the server ends?
although, some of these also are quite achievable by gold but still
i can't think of any original ideas to keep players playing the game... gold for top attacker/defender/BPer of the day/week and month? prizes for players who played until the server ends?
although, some of these also are quite achievable by gold but still
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DeletedUser
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I hate this 25% cost reduction thing. It gives gold users a massive advantage over those that don't use gold. Gold users can play 1/4 of the time that non-premium users play, and yet still have double the non-premium player's points and BP. I believe most of us remember Nikossa, whose family owned a large stock of the Coca-Cola company. He was rank 1 in his world, with double the 2nd player's points. He had over 500k within the first few weeks. If he had had this 25% cost reduction, he would have possibly had 750K+ points (triple the 2nd player's points).
Innogames was supposed to make Grepolis a non-premium friendly game. I suggest a world with no premium able to be used at all, except some of the smaller stuff like summoning the Phoenician merchant.
Innogames was supposed to make Grepolis a non-premium friendly game. I suggest a world with no premium able to be used at all, except some of the smaller stuff like summoning the Phoenician merchant.
DeletedUser
Guest
Premium features such as using gold to build building level and building time reduction is like giving Lex Luthor a Kryptonite Blaster to use it against Superman. People are abusing these 2 features together to build 10K cities from 1K city within 10 - 12 Hours of time. This is seriously a Buzz Kill. Even i am a premium player but this is plain Abuse. There are other ways to make money. Offer more features like more tools or Units even to build from premium. Like that alliance reservation tool now that could have been a premium option for alliance to purchase. Do something like that not gold for building. People with money to spend can easily build cities which takes normally 2 - 3 days for a regular premium (budgeted) player. Please implement an Abuse Proof for this feature because this is not done.
DeletedUser
Guest
While I have the ample means to pay for gold, I have chosen not to and gave away my top ten in my world account last month partially because of a gaming culture that seems designed to attract gambling/ win at all costs type of people vs people who want to test themselves against strong opposition and using their wits win on a level playing field.
Great game; but for me to play I would need a subscription model to cap fees and provide equal play opportunities. Also, would need features not to help me gain advantages unfairly (playing in greed/gambling nature of people, which I find harmful), but rather to avoid tedious work. I quit at around 55 cities as the premiums still make play too much work. Why not farm all cities with one push? Why must I pull a slot machine? I know why and it makes me sad you want to leverage gambling behavior modification as your business.
Like the transparency so I am returning it. Peace.
DeletedUser
Guest
Yup, I did. But there is great potential here though too, especially in some if the ideas and among the player community.