thanks kyle, and thanks for the respect.. im not even the best player in my alliance,, unfortunately half my alliance is stuck in juktas mode,, and the other half is learning... with more and more players fully committed and starting to do good. my people are active, and we will grow. you guys cant imagine how bad i used to suck. and now i don't.. we are teaching the newer players, and they are picking up the nuances. the fact is, i challenged controlled burn to a alliance vs alliance war,, they are not willing to accept. so they shook,,they scared, is what it is.. they need apples to survive. no worries, we will keep on will grow a little slower but grow we will... of what i've seen,, there is no doubt in my mind.. and to aserius,, why would you stick yourself into business that isn't yours? did i address you? no!, do i need your opinion,,no! so keep it where it belongs, and that is to yourself