Top 12 Sink or Swim?

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1. No brakes/ no speed limit
2nd in both abp and dbp these guys are proving they can fight with the best of them or can they. Recently they have gained alot of cities from alliances not in the top 12 but seems that they are fighting a two front war right now against the Musketeers and the Bees losing 7 cities to the Bees. They will have to figure out a way to put a stop to this but im sure that they can as they have some good talent over there and a ton of cities so these guys will make it through. swim

2. The Musketeers/ Wombles
1st in abp and dbp they are the premier fighters of the server thus far. Lately they have been having a rough go at it against the brakes though according to the oracle have lost upwards of 50 cities and havent gained half as many back they need to get on their horse and take some of these back but they will be alright. swim

3. Killer bees/ Golden Honey Bees
3rd in abp 9th in dbp this is my group so i wont say to much but very good teamwork here. Their strength is sure to be tested in the near future. swim

4. Written In Blood
5th in abp and 12th in dbp. I see alot of names i recognize here and they really havent been tested yet will be interesting to see what happens when they get a real fight at their doorsteps. Alot of Warlord cities going to them not sure if it was a merge or complete domination maybe someone can clear that up. swim for now i think

5. Epidemic
7th in both abp and dbp. These guys are in a rough spot seem to be fighting the muskets and company right now and looks to be like the best fight of the server if i read it correctly doing slightly better against the academy than the main group. I dont know how long these guys will be alive though with there positioning only time will tell. sink

6. Black Ships
8th in abp and 27th in dbp. These guys have been pretty silent in the grand scheme of things eating ghost cities and internalizing themselves and taking hobbit towns nobody is really attacking them and they arent attacking anyone interesting to see what happens when the beach party comes to an end for these guys i see them merging with bloody axe or something or maybe they will duke it out for the battle of the basement with them in that case i would give the edge to the blackships. float

7. Sindar and company
Not much to say about these guys yet as they arent in the top 15 in any fighting catagory kind of just riding the rim only time will tell what they are made of. float for now

8.Lonley Wolves
12th in abp 34th in dbp. Good average and not alot of players very good abp for their size will be interested to see what they do they are the best rim alliance out there in my opinion. swim

9. The Vanguard
18th in abp 30th in dbp. Another rim alliance so not much to say about them at this point as there are really no enemies for them. swim

10. The Bloody Axe
9th in abp 5th in dbp. These guys have had a tough road during this server but they are still hanging in there if they can get control of 56 they still have a fighting chance in my opinion but it looks like these guys are slowly diminishing into the sunset.sink

11. Mean Old Bastards
21st in abp and 19th in dbp. The smallest in average points in my list and and pretty far down there in battling as well. We will probably see these guys merge with another group in the near future and if they dont they are probably toast. sink

12. Darnkess
27th in abp 23rd in dbp. Small group of players with a nice little average for there size could do more to help themselves grow by attacking some of these smaller alliances but i dont like there chances against the bigger groups at this point.float for now

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To clear that up for you my friend

"The feud between Written In Blood and Warlords has turned into a massacre. Written In Blood has conquered 32 cities and lost 0."

the rest of them either quit or went elsewhere, we took a couple
 

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Ruthie2 said:
To clear that up for you my friend

"The feud between Written In Blood and Warlords has turned into a massacre. Written In Blood has conquered 32 cities and lost 0."

the rest of them either quit or went elsewhere, we took a couple
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Great job Ruthie
 

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1. No brakes/ no speed limit
2nd in both abp and dbp these guys are proving they can fight with the best of them or can they. Recently they have gained alot of cities from alliances not in the top 12 but seems that they are fighting a two front war right now against the Musketeers and the Bees losing 7 cities to the Bees. They will have to figure out a way to put a stop to this but im sure that they can as they have some good talent over there and a ton of cities so these guys will make it through. swim

2. The Musketeers/ Wombles
1st in abp and dbp they are the premier fighters of the server thus far. Lately they have been having a rough go at it against the brakes though according to the oracle have lost upwards of 50 cities and havent gained half as many back they need to get on their horse and take some of these back but they will be alright. swim

3. Killer bees/ Golden Honey Bees
3rd in abp 9th in dbp this is my group so i wont say to much but very good teamwork here. Their strength is sure to be tested in the near future. swim

4. Written In Blood
5th in abp and 12th in dbp. I see alot of names i recognize here and they really havent been tested yet will be interesting to see what happens when they get a real fight at their doorsteps. Alot of Warlord cities going to them not sure if it was a merge or complete domination maybe someone can clear that up. swim for now i think

5. Epidemic
7th in both abp and dbp. These guys are in a rough spot seem to be fighting the muskets and company right now and looks to be like the best fight of the server if i read it correctly doing slightly better against the academy than the main group. I dont know how long these guys will be alive though with there positioning only time will tell. sink

6. Black Ships
8th in abp and 27th in dbp. These guys have been pretty silent in the grand scheme of things eating ghost cities and internalizing themselves and taking hobbit towns nobody is really attacking them and they arent attacking anyone interesting to see what happens when the beach party comes to an end for these guys i see them merging with bloody axe or something or maybe they will duke it out for the battle of the basement with them in that case i would give the edge to the blackships. float

7. Sindar and company
Not much to say about these guys yet as they arent in the top 15 in any fighting catagory kind of just riding the rim only time will tell what they are made of. float for now

8.Lonley Wolves
12th in abp 34th in dbp. Good average and not alot of players very good abp for their size will be interested to see what they do they are the best rim alliance out there in my opinion. swim

9. The Vanguard
18th in abp 30th in dbp. Another rim alliance so not much to say about them at this point as there are really no enemies for them. swim

10. The Bloody Axe
9th in abp 5th in dbp. These guys have had a tough road during this server but they are still hanging in there if they can get control of 56 they still have a fighting chance in my opinion but it looks like these guys are slowly diminishing into the sunset.sink

11. Mean Old Bastards
21st in abp and 19th in dbp. The smallest in average points in my list and and pretty far down there in battling as well. We will probably see these guys merge with another group in the near future and if they dont they are probably toast. sink

12. Darnkess
27th in abp 23rd in dbp. Small group of players with a nice little average for there size could do more to help themselves grow by attacking some of these smaller alliances but i dont like there chances against the bigger groups at this point.float for now

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It is nice to see some people actually Post respectfully to what the Topic is about, instead of whining 24/7 cough cough ErikWijmeersch cough. Haha. No offence bud but that's all I see you do :).

TBA will really need to pull their finger out, they are out of the Top 12 and preying on smaller alliances. But they will not thrive in ocean 56 with the growing Killer Bees presence, any core in north 56 will be eaten. Personally I don't think they saw their coming defeat in 55 so prominent when Beez first campaigned against them and did not retreat into ocean 56 fast enough.
 
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That was hard to understand bro.
Can you reform it in a readable version?
 

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Fig understood he was mistaken and restored my post.
New top 12 later on the day.
 

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Under construction.

All right,now close to peace event( Happy E to those who believe in desert fairy tales BTW) this is my new evaluation:

1. Musket group.
The followers of D'Artagnan have a total growth ( Wombles included) of 2,47 million points and an extra 117 cities in their belt.
This is some 200 k point growth less then the previous evaluation period.
It is to be noted they added more cities with less overall growth.
They are hard set to balance the unfavorable result of war toward NB by colonizing and taking small cities in their area.

They have gained just 1,8 million bp( wing included) in the mentioned period ( 14-25 March) with the balance slightly in favor of abp( 860 vs 840 k dbp).
No doubt a reflection of a lack of proper op by NB group.
Their top spot by them is regained by sending the biggest players of the wing in their main, while Wombles are now just a shadow and even formally out of top 12.
Situation does not look promising bearing in mind the net disparity with NB in relative growth ( including city losses) while even toward Epidemic result is negligible.
Drama and inactivity played their part too in this period.
New cities, given time,are a source of hope, and they do retain the strength to bite.
For the next 10 days or so ( until next top 12) I will give them a Swim,but closer to just Float.

2. NB group ( wing included).
Their overall point growth is almost 4,5 million points and 350 more cities under their belt.
They have been preoccupied with an op toward a local alliance ( T.A.AN.) with very good results, following only opportunities toward major competitors.
Net result is again positive toward them in sum,though they have not commited themselves in major ops toward them.
They again showed their defensive strength by repelling successfully a major action by Musket Bees( just five losses) and they too are making efforts to balance the colonization programs of the other competitors.
Net bp growth is some 2,7 million bp in total( 1,4 million abp and 1,3 million dbp).
From this total 1 million belong to NSL( though the wing has more dbp then abp).
They have been hit by inactivity too.
It is a Swim.

3. Killer Bees group.
This lads have had a net growth of some 2,45 million points and around 100 more cities.
The point growth compared to a relatively low city growth shows they have been growing their cities without major additions.
Inactivity and drama are taking their toll,including at least 2 leaders.
They haven't been attacked seriously, dbp is still low ( 380k,bigger then previous result) and abp around 850 k( less then previous period).
Not much to show toward NB but result is better toward Bloody Axe.
Again their wing has poor results.
Swim.
 
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Good analyze and top-3 groups, Tea. I believe this is the right way to describe this world. But how come Muskes has been granted just "float" rate? When it is swim with torpedo speed. All losses to NB are not crucial, the best Muskes players survived and going to blossom by summertime. Muskes is going to be no dead weight alliance, pure brilliant roster of hardcore players, no sistering and only great pact fellows.
 

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Tea city said:
Under construction.

All right,now close to peace event( Happy E to those who believe in desert fairy tales BTW) this is my new evaluation:

1. Musket group.
The followers of D'Artagnan have a total growth ( Wombles included) of 2,47 million points and an extra 117 cities in their belt.
This is some 200 k point growth less then the previous evaluation period.
It is to be noted they added more cities with less overall growth.
They are hard set to balance the unfavorable result of war toward NB by colonizing and taking small cities in their area.

They have gained just 1,8 million bp( wing included) in the mentioned period ( 14-25 March) with the balance slightly in favor of abp( 860 vs 840 k dbp).
No doubt a reflection of a lack of proper op by NB group.
Their top spot by them is regained by sending the biggest players of the wing in their main, while Wombles are now just a shadow and even formally out of top 12.
Situation does not look promising bearing in mind the net disparity with NB in relative growth ( including city losses) while even toward Epidemic result is negligible.
Drama and inactivity played their part too in this period.
New cities, given time,are a source of hope, and they do retain the strength to bite.
For the next 10 days or so ( until next top 12) I will give them a Swim,but closer to just Float.

2. NB group ( wing included).
Their overall point growth is almost 4,5 million points and 350 more cities under their belt.
They have been preoccupied with an op toward a local alliance ( T.A.AN.) with very good results, following only opportunities toward major competitors.
Net result is again positive toward them in sum,though they have not commited themselves in major ops toward them.
They again showed their defensive strength by repelling successfully a major action by Musket Bees( just five losses) and they too are making efforts to balance the colonization programs of the other competitors.
Net bp growth is some 2,7 million bp in total( 1,4 million abp and 1,3 million dbp).
From this total 1 million belong to NSL( though the wing has more dbp then abp).
They have been hit by inactivity too.
It is a Swim.

3. Killer Bees group.
This lads have had a net growth of some 2,45 million points and around 100 more cities.
The point growth compared to a relatively low city growth shows they have been growing their cities without major additions.
Inactivity and drama are taking their toll,including at least 2 leaders.
They haven't been attacked seriously, dbp is still low ( 380k,bigger then previous result) and abp around 850 k( less then previous period).
Not much to show toward NB but result is better toward Bloody Axe.
Again their wing has poor results.
Swim.
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Nice top 3 Tea., with just a couple of corrections from O55.

We had one "leader" depart the server, for their own reasons and RL constraints. There's a difference between founders, leaders and advisors over here. We probably operate slightly differently than you may assume...or maybe we don't...;)...ask anytime.

I also noticed you didn't highlight your own alliance's "drama" since your last top "x" assessment...nice exclusion there, dear...or perhaps I need to offer my congratulations for getting those rogues rule breakers under control and sending them for manners training. If anyone over there can do that...well, we know it's not Erik, lol. He's quite lucky to have you to clean things up.

On a flip note...I would love to see your updated assessment of Lonely Wolves, Sindar, Vanguard, Black Ships, WIB and how they are doing as well.
 

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CrazyFrank said:
ranga... tiller already said "and only great pact fellows"...
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No, read again. He said going to be only great pact fellows so there must be some that now there are some not great pact fellows. Im sure tiller will clear it up though

What is it about these forums that force people to stop reading properly?
 

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To HG-it is not finished yet.
I collected the data,but haven't had the time to finish it.
To make this type of top 12 takes time(roughly 2-3 hours for a perfect one) and is weekend:)
I am referring to Jturk quitting and KT(no need for details) and to Storr Bowzers novella,lol
Now all have "quirks" but I register strong upheavals not passing pangs,lol
Oh,thanks for the compliment.
 

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Tea city said:
To HG-it is not finished yet.
I collected the data,but haven't had the time to finish it.
To make this type of top 12 takes time(roughly 2-3 hours for a perfect one) and is weekend:)
I am referring to Jturk quitting and KT(no need for details) and to Storr Bowzers novella,lol
Now all have "quirks" but I register strong upheavals not passing pangs,lol
Oh,thanks for the compliment.
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Jturck and KT are "forever loved" over here...and by many others as well, some within your ranks I am sure. I will be surprised if they both "stay gone", and I think that you will see one of them still active in Abdera. Every now and then - well, RL has to be a priority over "grepoland".

Storr and Bowzers...you need to check your "leaders list" for over here a little closer to get fact and fiction sorted on that part.

Sometimes "strong upheavals" are simply the case of communication mishaps...and our leadership holds ourselves accountable for that having happened, not the players.

Doc was an influential player too...and you and I saw how that played out, now didn't we?

Looking forward to the balance of that top 12 though, Tea...you can write well (perhaps a bit biased at times, lol)
 

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Tea city said:
I am making a top 12.
Please bear in mind I can not make a detailed study for each alliance, so help to add more light from those who have more knowledge is welcomed.
I am basing my evaluation on Grepostats data since March 2( the last date of peace before major conflicts started).
A period of 10+ days was needed before tempting to make some evaluation.


1. No Brakes group( No Speed Limit included).
It has clearly made a good step forward,with a net growth of some 350 + cities and 4,700,000+ point growth.
Bp total since March 2( reference date) is some 3,675,000+,from whom over 2 million are abp and 1,515,000 dbp.
The major wars against Musket Bees has gone in it's favor with some 90 victories for less then 35 losses.
However, too early to reach definite conclusions.

Some inactivity is slowing them down and a few cities are lost to some rim alliances.
Swim.

2.The Musketeers group ( The Wombles included).
They have lost the first spot,and the wars against No Brakes has yielded a net loss of some 60 cities+ several players who went to No Brakes.
They have gained some 2,660,000 points, but net gain in cities is just 100( 99).
The overall bp growth is some 3,030,000,the lions share is dbp( roughly 1,9 million) though,abp being some 1,240,000( 60% of No Brakes group).
On paper equal bp per player with No Brakes.
But they have to overcome the psychological effect of the unfavourable course of the major wars( even toward Epidemic the score is just equal) in order to regain the previous steam, since relatively speaking they are slipping behind their main competitor.
Nor have they safe backs, with just south/ southeast being green,and Lonely Wolves have retaken some cities too and Sindar not friendly too.

In theory the best situation for ferocious fighters but in practice .....
I will put a Swim for now,but next 10 days will be important for them not to downgrade in just float.

3. Killa Biiz group( Golden Honey Group included).
Net growth in points is satisfactory, some 3,82 million. And net growth in cities is 240.
Bp though lags much behind, just 1,280,000,with the wing especially being a sim city( a disastrous 260 k overall,far less then Wombles with 750 k,let alone NSL with almost 1,3 million bp) which shows siming strength, but more is needed to show they are a fighting group too and not just wanna be wasps,lol

It is to be noted that vast majority of their bp is abp( some 1 million), with dbp just 280 k( overall).
Since No Brakes has not attacked them and Bloody Axe has just defended this dbp comes from quests since they have no pacts,lol
Black Ship is too close( East 55),so this stand off and the successful defense of No Brakes is preventing a more satisfactory bp growth.
It is not bad for the main,but far from satisfactory for a group who pretends to be in the game just to fight. ( main alliance has 1,020,000 bp.Compare it with Muskets 2,230,000 or NB with 2,400,000l).
Swim.

4. Written in Blood group.
Huge leap forward in point growth compared with the reference data(2,850,000 points) and 324 cities( note, their wing was created on March 3 with local recruits, this has to be kept in mind).
However,when it comes to bp one can hardly say good job with just 735 k bp overall....
The wing bp is just negligible ( Martinus,you spartnoob,move your a$$).
They broke the previous understanding with Epidemic and entered the franko Russian group, lol
Some 15 takes from Epi but way more fighting strength required to be a serious competitive alliance on it's own.
Sim city won't help in rough waters.
Strategic location is safe,so it is a Swim.

5. Epidemic.
This guys have a net point growth of some 1,100,000 points and 102 cities.
They bravely entered the war against the Entente Cordiale ( proper name since on paper poop said no pacts,lol) regardless of their dangerous location and this is reflected in the huge( for their size) bp growth of 1,150,000.
They are sandwiched between Muskets, Killa Biiz and Ruth less alliance, and the first major test ( they were heavily attacked by all members of the Entente( Killa biiz simply by coincidence of course ,lol) showed their power of resistance.
Ratio is 35-55 about takeovers ( -20) but bearing in mind the odds it is acceptable.
And just 1-2 small players switched sides ( compare it with Muskets).
No doubt they don't lack slots,and by investing them wisely they can create a base for the long haul.
They do not have an enemy in 35.
I would like to see them pass under another test before giving them a Swim,so for now Float.

6. Black Ship.
Lovely siming power ( 1,660,000 points and an extra 144 cities) but bp is low for their size,just 350k.
They have a good rim location, and it was an easy walk so far,but being close to Killa Biiz means they will sooner or later have to show they have the proper material to be a serious competitor.

I will give them a Swim for now based on location, but would like to see them pass a major test before being a definite Swim.

7. Lonely Wolves.
More then doubled the point growth ( 1,450,000 points and 212 extra cities since March 2) and jumped from 12 to 8 in ranking.
Guess they were crystallising their hold on 34 before venturing against Muskets ( they did take a few cities off them lately) to explain the overall low 280 k bp.
It is a Swim due to location.

8 Sindar group.
They have been busy consolidating their position in 43 with a careful diplomacy.
Steady growth ( 1,500,000 points and 150 cities as a group) but 300 k bp shows they still are not up to par with what numbers suggest.
They will have to pass a major test to deserve a full Swim,though location gives them a Swim for now.

9. The Vanguard.
Too far from me to have a proper idea.
Point growth is a million and 142 extra cities but bo account is quite low( just 183 k since March 2).
I will give them a Float for now due to location but not a Swim before a major test.

It closes here since 3 of the top 12 are wings and included in the evaluation of their sister alliances.

General comments.

Since major wars started one can see the easier crystallising of rim alliances who dominate a given ocean.
Shortly they may enter the field and will be seen of what mettle they are.

As for the major contenders:
One clearly identifies that the initial exchanges have gone in favor of No Brakes group with a net gain of +50 in direct takeovers, and half the losses being inactives and some being simply outlying cities.
They have shown their defensive power both in their help for Epidemic ( few cities listed in the shared forum by Epi were lost) as well( especially) in their defense in the blind of over 60 cities belonging to banned players.( just five losses).

However, it is too early to reach conclusions, and the Entente does have the numbers and talent ( and ofc Dumbspace too,lol).

Note- the author is a leader in No Brakes group, so prone to biased evaluation.

Thank you for your time.
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Black ships look to be moving down to ocean 66 so don't think you'll see anything in the of a challenge from them yet, they do however have a load of LS nukes from what I witnessed a few hours a go... dunno if that changes your mind a little, but when an alliance like red faction keeps them that busy they need an opp there really is not much hope in my opinion.
 
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