Pnp Stay Delusional

[DeletedUser41523]

It all started in the ocean of 45. Where some Turtles, some Veterans, and a bunch of rejects resided. Originally these groups seemed that they would have to vie with each other for dominance. But soon realized they fought better as a singular unit as a opposed to a set of three separate alliances. Meanwhile across the ocean there was a not very orderly group of orders. They were fighting the clear gods of this server...

Stay Cool

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So unbeatable were these guys that they soon alianted an NAP in Killer Bunnies, drove off their branches in Winners/Winners II, and eventually broke a ceasefire agreement with OCEANS VETERANS, Turtle Time, and Rejects. After all who could beat them....

Well as it turned out everyone could beat up on SC.

Stay Cool vs the World

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Quickly losing a net total of 83 cities, one academy, one ally (13th Lochoi) driven out of the top 15, and another academy driven from the top 15.

Source: http://grepolis.maxtrix.net/world/en/96/alliances

Turns out these studs weren't so studly. In fact, the only group finding ways to win is S.T.O.R.M. in their crusade and blood fued vs Spirit of Game Kings and Winners/II. Sure enough, Stay Cool was getting desperate to end fronts as losses began to mount. The opportunity presented itself at last as a mistake was made on the Rejects end.

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Of course, this only led to stronger bonds and Warchuck quickly realized that unlike SC, when we cross a line, we're civil about it. We attempt to rectify our actions when we don't mean to commit them as opposed to strong arm people. Of course this might come as a shock to S.T.O.R.M. who in their blood feud with Winners probably wouldn't be enthused to learn that SC was prepared to take the deal with Winners/Spirit and run with it.

Sorry Roni its like I said, SC would throw you guys under the bus for a quick move up in the world. Don't worry though, you're not alone, they thought they could do it to us too in an attempt to move up quickly in the world. Turns out it backfired. But don't take it from me, even their own allies think their actions were foolish...

let me be blunt, SC was stupid to fight everybody, now they have no save side.....

And of course, what's a good story without betrayal offers?

13th Lochoi's Offer

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They also offered OV a merger and would have taken total peace had OV been open to it. This is just one of many offer's we've received from Stay's compatriots. Some of Stay's players have tried to tuck tail and run out too. Of course, due to privacy and respect I won't share those and risk their worlds. I feel I've shown enough proof for my case here to have my word taken. I am however willing to show this proof upon war's end, win or lose.

of course, I'm just a hater obviously just ask the most reputable source on Olous there is...SC leader's

TKF knows everything and he is everywhere,i would give him victory in this moment,he deserved it after all his s..t...let him enjoys in his fake World,only there he is the best and he knows everything.

Of course, these claims met the reality that was 5 minutes of statistical fact checking...and obviously they didn't hold up even in methods generous to SC. Which leads me to believe these guys are absolutely delusional in the state of their alliance. They're either lying to all of us or they think they're actually winning these wars. Either way the stats don't lie. They're losing every front even in splits, they've lost an academy, their allies are turning on them, their players have tried, and they're barely holding it together.

The real question is, how long for Stay Cool vs the World?

 

[DeletedUser54584]

is has to be said, telling the stone cold truth deserves a like. (some of SC may be pissed that i write this)

 

[DeletedUser41523]

It seems one of their top players Rofami has left the building.

 

[DeletedUser51499]

It seems one of their top players Rofami has left the building.

Just another tantrum. How many times Soho left and came back?

 

[DeletedUser41523]

Just another deama queens tantrum. How many times Soho left and came back?

Now Nex has left the building also.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

Totally new leadership now. TJ is diplomat now. I feel so sorry for STORM and Modern Warfare.

 

[DeletedUser54792]

Okay, apparently the 13th Lochoi has a rather inaccurate reputation. So to clear up a few things for you, I assume you do want accuracy, I'll clarify.

1) The 13th Lochoi has at no point in time, had a pact with anyone.

2) The 13th Lochoi initially looked around and found every area of interest paralleled by OV. Cores in the same Oceans, general levels of activity, overall demeanor. It all lined up pretty good. So a merger was discussed. Now the previous leader of OV (since retired) admitted up front that there were 3 SC members that had expressed interest in joining our alliance, and that we had a personal NAP with those 3. In response to this, OV declared war and began attacking.

3) As many can attest, our former leader was not good at diplomacy. Do not get me wrong, he was a great guy, and a good player, but his english was not the best and he was easy to misunderstand. Knowing this, once the leadership and organization of the alliance was... restructured, we sought to clarify exactly why we were even at war. Last the alliance as a whole knew, a merger was on the table, next thing we know LS are flying everywhere. We were a threat, and that knowing people in SC was enough to warrant war. Now if you can tell me how 15 guys spread out over two Oceans is a threat to OV, I'll buy you a drink.

4) After OV declares war and starts attacking us (while most of us were still under the impression that attacking OV was off limits) we decide that trying to organize with other alliances also fighting OV might be in our best interests. Still no pacts, we still occasionally get attacked by SC. They just aren't the biggest threat to us, and seem to be FAR more reasonable to deal with.

5) At this point OV has made it clear that they are going to be hostile towards us no matter what. It doesn't matter who we associate with or not. They have the numbers, so they do what they want. We are not fond of bullies, and are not afraid of a fight, so we will do what we can. It has nothing to do with SC, it has nothing to do with any Tripartite. We will do whatever we can to fight a war with a much larger opponent. Do whatever it takes to cause a little pain. Or at the very least, be as annoying as possible until the big bad OV tries to rim 12 guys that never did a D#%& thing to them.

So you cannot "betray" something you never had.

Hope that helps.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

I agree 100% lets clear this up, my friend.

1/2) You did more than NAP a few players in our books. We've caught joint breaks and supports in the past by Lochoi. Lets lay this out flat, any form of support be it siege breaks, support, 1 sword, moral support, or even just private thoughts favoring anyone in SC that you don't think we'll find out about is all the same to us. If you're dumb enough to jump into the fight and not pact with the people who have friends you're trying to protect. Then that's really not our problem. From our end, you aided our enemy and that's enough to go with in our book. If you can't see why OV is reasonably annoyed at that, then I don't know how to help you.

3) I agree, you're very clearly not a threat to either side. The smart answer should have been "yeah this makes no sense to annoy OV, lets side with them fully and attack those SC guys. If they're our friends they'll understand that its not personal anyways." Alternatively it could have been "Wow these Tripartite guys are tools, lets ally SC and fight them." instead it was "Lets try to merge with OV and TT while wanting to support our friends in SC. Then loosely coordinate with SC when that doesn't work." Which is really a lot to wrap my head around so sorry for confusion.

4) Its not really our fault that you guys approached the table wrong. So you want to coordinate with SC but don't want a pact? Okay at this point you're just doing diplomacy in a stupid manner. The logic here seems to be you want the benefit of a pact without having to actually say that you're in a pact. Also not really our fault if your leaders failed to communicate to the alliance when talks were blown. Though given the logic displayed in negotiations, I can understand your confusion on who is reasonable here.

5) Actually they probably would have chilled out had you picked a side. I even tried to help you guys by telling your former leader, pick a side and stick to it. Don't help SC then come at us claiming its not a pact while trying to merge with us. Because as far as we're concerned, it is a pact. If an enemy of ours is getting help from a third party alliance, then they're red flagged and we don't really care about whats official between them and whats not.

Now you can dress that up anyway that you'd like, but the fact is that you were trying to help our enemies and became our enemy by extension. As far as we're concerned you might as well pact up. That or stop supporting the players in SC you like and give up. Either one works, but don't try to have it both ways.

Hope that helps

 

[DeletedUser54792]

I agree 100% lets clear this up, my friend.

1/2) You did more than NAP a few players in our books. We've caught joint breaks and supports in the past by Lochoi. Lets lay this out flat, any form of support be it siege breaks, support, 1 sword, moral support, or even just private thoughts favoring anyone in SC that you don't think we'll find out about is all the same to us. If you're dumb enough to jump into the fight and not pact with the people who have friends you're trying to protect. Then that's really not our problem. From our end, you aided our enemy and that's enough to go with in our book. If you can't see why OV is reasonably annoyed at that, then I don't know how to help you.

3) I agree, you're very clearly not a threat to either side. The smart answer should have been "yeah this makes no sense to annoy OV, lets side with them fully and attack those SC guys. If they're our friends they'll understand that its not personal anyways." Alternatively it could have been "Wow these Tripartite guys are tools, lets ally SC and fight them." instead it was "Lets try to merge with OV and TT while wanting to support our friends in SC. Then loosely coordinate with SC when that doesn't work." Which is really a lot to wrap my head around so sorry for confusion.

4) Its not really our fault that you guys approached the table wrong. So you want to coordinate with SC but don't want a pact? Okay at this point you're just doing diplomacy in a stupid manner. The logic here seems to be you want the benefit of a pact without having to actually say that you're in a pact. Also not really our fault if your leaders failed to communicate to the alliance when talks were blown. Though given the logic displayed in negotiations, I can understand your confusion on who is reasonable here.

5) Actually they probably would have chilled out had you picked a side. I even tried to help you guys by telling your former leader, pick a side and stick to it. Don't help SC then come at us claiming its not a pact while trying to merge with us. Because as far as we're concerned, it is a pact. If an enemy of ours is getting help from a third party alliance, then they're red flagged and we don't really care about whats official between them and whats not.

Now you can dress that up anyway that you'd like, but the fact is that you were trying to help our enemies and became our enemy by extension. As far as we're concerned you might as well pact up. That or stop supporting the players in SC you like and give up. Either one works, but don't try to have it both ways.

Hope that helps

1/2) There were joint breaks and supports AFTER the original merge discussions fell apart. We were specifically told not to help SC, and as far as I know we did not until after the first siege began. Half our guys, myself included, joined this alliance specifically because we did not want any part of SC. I never supported or aided any SC member until after OV was attacking us, nor would I. I am not aware of any such aid before those attacks began. We did not "jump" into any fight. In fact we were prepared to fight SC if/when we merged with OV. We did not choose this fight. All I see is that the former leaders of our alliance had 3 friends in SC he didn't want to attack, and so that means we are now perpetually at war with a group that we were actually rooting for and completely ready to support.

3) We tried to side with OV fully, or at least we were under the impression that we were trying to side with them fully. How we went from "Hey, most of us don't like SC that much, but OV looks super active and is right next to us, we should hook up." to "Send the fliers, romanvv is a beast and we need to break another siege." I don't know. Only Lazyos can say, he didn't share the details. We were just told, they don't want an NAP and are declaring war because they think we have a pact with SC. Which was news to us, as sohoglory was blasting one of our sieges with multiple waves of fliers and my original capital is currently being occupied by a member of SC.

4) We will coordinate with anyone against an opponent over twice our size that happens to be extremely active and fairly well organized. Why wouldn't we? If we didn't coordinate with them, we would still be targeted, only we would be completely on our own. If we coordinate at least we can have a little more impact. If you didn't want us supporting and coordinating with SC all you had to do is not force us to do exactly that. We could have been fighting right by your side a long time ago, and considering our locations it would have been advantageous. I have no idea what went on in the talks or at the table, only one person knows that, and that person is no longer in the game. The guys left here did not choose this, did not instigate this, and are not to blame for this. But neither are they going to just sit back and do nothing while they are under attack.

5) The 13th Lochoi picked a side. All options were considered, there was a vote, they overwhelmingly chose to try to be part of OV. The man in charge went forth to make that happen if possible, he came back with a war. That is legitimately all we really know on that subject. New leadership steps in, diplomatic feelers are sent out, hostilities continue. We do not want a pact with SC for many reasons. Half the Winners members in 045 and 055 are friends of ours, why would we pact with SC just to end up fighting OV and also being in a position to also be fighting Winners? We have good relations with Winners, and have no intention of fighting them on behalf of SC.

So again. I have no idea what you and Lazyos talked about. I can only speak for the guys that are still here and fighting, and none of us were ever trying to help SC until after we were at war with OV. Maybe you have more information than we do, information was not exactly free flowing before we took over. So I can't say what was, only what is. When you are fighting a bigger opponent, you use whatever weapons and tools are available to you. As I said to you guys the day I took over, "If all of this is over SC, then I believe we have a misunderstanding. I have lost more dlu from attacks by sohoglory than I have lost in attacks from OV."

You can dress that up any way you like it, we are only an enemy because you decided to make us one. As far as we can tell it doesn't matter what we do, you are going to keep attacking because that's what you want to do. We could attack SC tonight, and we would still have OV attacking us tomorrow. And that's fine, you have the numbers, you can bully whoever you want. This is a war game, fighting is the whole point. But do not lump us together with other parties in your war, because that war has nothing to do with us. And do not say we betrayed anyone, because we did not. If we make an agreement, we keep it, if we give our word, we keep it. Win or lose, we have not and will never "betray" anyone.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

1/2) No, when we were talking it was made pretty clear that you guys had friends you wanted to defend. By the time I was at the table to talk merge, they still couldn't make up their mind or pick a side. If they had picked our side entirely, I probably could have swung that merge.

3) We've already covered this. Like I said, its not our fault you played both sides of the fence and ended up falling off. I'm just telling you how we viewed it. I feel we responded accordingly.

4) I totally get that, but that is a pact. Even if you don't want to call it that. And that's the point we're making, if we messed with those guys in SC, they would defend them.

5) Well all we know is what happened on our end. We said, 13th had to for sure fight even their friends in SC if they picked us. That was a problem.

I've fought bigger opponents my friend, I get how it works. But it does matter what you do. Tell you what, PM me and tell me what you'd expect in order to make a merger work. I'll talk to my side about it. But we will expect that regardless of who is friends with who, that Tripartite comes above all.

 

[MissusR]

. Now the previous leader of OV (since retired)

I am not retired and have never retired..

This is a quote form your request for a merge mail from 21/3


We are at war with OCEANS VETERANS, and you might not be aware of this, but you guys are very good at what you do. There are also more of you. When we fight, we use all available tools. SC is also in a war with you. Obviously that is an asset.

So we do not "help SC", we fight OV. If OV is taking a city, we help break the siege, it does not matter who the city belongs to. We are at war with OV, we do not want you to take another city. If OV is losing a city, we help take the city, it does not matter who is taking the city. We are at war with OV, we want you to lose that city. If we are losing or taking a city from OV, we will call in any available assistance, because we are few, and you are many. We like to fight, and we're pretty good at it. But there are only so many of us.


A day later we took a city of 13th..

Oh look incoming attacks from SC on our siege... but NO recalled LTS support from a SC city and we got some easy BP as unescorted LDU hit our siege.

At this stage you were firmly in the Leaders Seat..

I am sorry but you are trying to sell a bit too much BS as cream cake

 

[DeletedUser54792]

I am not retired and have never retired..

This is a quote form your request for a merge mail from 21/3


We are at war with OCEANS VETERANS, and you might not be aware of this, but you guys are very good at what you do. There are also more of you. When we fight, we use all available tools. SC is also in a war with you. Obviously that is an asset.

So we do not "help SC", we fight OV. If OV is taking a city, we help break the siege, it does not matter who the city belongs to. We are at war with OV, we do not want you to take another city. If OV is losing a city, we help take the city, it does not matter who is taking the city. We are at war with OV, we want you to lose that city. If we are losing or taking a city from OV, we will call in any available assistance, because we are few, and you are many. We like to fight, and we're pretty good at it. But there are only so many of us.


A day later we took a city of 13th..

Oh look incoming attacks from SC on our siege... but NO recalled LTS support from a SC city and we got some easy BP as unescorted LDU hit our siege.

At this stage you were firmly in the Leaders Seat..

I am sorry but you are trying to sell a bit too much BS as cream cake

The first was a typo, that should have been "Now the previous leader of 13th Lochoi (since retired)."

None of that changed. My message to you was pretty clear, and I did not try to hide any of it. None of my posts here contradict any of that. I am not "selling" anything, I am simply stating our position and the reasoning behind every move we make.

We did not instigate the conflict. Once we found ourselves in the conflict we knew how badly outnumbered we were, so we used whatever aid and weapons that were available to us. We never chose SC over you, you instigated a conflict and we simply did what was needed to actually have a chance. SC has repeatedly attacked us during this conflict, I sent you a few CR to show that. We repeatedly told you that we would immediately stop coordinating with other alliances and aiding them in any way if the conflict were to end. We repeatedly told both sides that we had no pacts, we preferred OV, we not sure why we were being forced to fight OV. We turned down 2 separate offers to merge with SC and instead tried to stop the conflict that we never wanted.

I told you right at the beginning when I took over, we had no idea why we ended up fighting you. That we were coordinating with everyone else currently fighting you, because that is the only intelligent way to fight a war against an opponent over 3x our size that has some pretty good allies that are also over 3x our size. I told you that we were not friends of SC, and that we would likely be in conflict with them if OV had not started a conflict with us. And I told you that we would cease all support should the conflict end. I again stated that our alliance voted to try a merge a month ago before the conflict began, and that was never something we stopped wanting. BUT that we will not just sit idly by while being attacked, we would use every resource available to fight back against people targeting us.

I never lied, I never hid anything. I was completely open and honest about every aspect of things. We wanted to be a part of OV, there weren't a lot of us and you were the best looking choice anywhere near us. We overwhelming voted to try to simply be part of your team. Our previous leader (since retired) was supposed to negotiate that arrangement, instead he came back with war. He established a personal NAP with 3 of HIS friends in SC, temporarily, because they were supposed to join us. They didn't join us, the NAP would have expired had OV not declared war and starting attacking us. The NAP would have been cancelled had we merged. I am not sure how that situation became a catalyst for war, but that was the decision of a man that is no longer in this game. All of that was explained.

 

[Coxwana]

Am I missing something? This is a war game is it not? So please stop the whinging.

Your previous leader was supposed to negotiate a merger. Well guess what he didn't. He wanted us to leave his friends alone and hit the rest of SC. Clearly not an option therefore no deal reached, so back to hitting.

Now new leadership and you say "no relations with SC"

There has been in the past, we bring you in now, how can we be sure information won't be passed to the wrong hands.. fact we can't be certain. Which leaves a trust issue.

OV has been together for many a year and multiple servers. We all know each other and have met in RL. Why would we risk our security by taking you lot in when we haven't been able to trust you before.

Now, this IS a war game and as no diplomacy has been reached, war will continue. Have a great day.

 

[DeletedUser54792]

The point of my posts was to clear up a matter of record. Simply trying to get our side of events out there so that inaccurate things can stopped being posted about us. Pass information to what wrong hands? To what benefit? How would that, in any way, be advantageous for us? That doesn't even make sense, it would be pointless, we would have far more to lose then we could ever gain.

As I already said, at this point we fully expect that OV are going to be hostile towards us no matter what. It doesn't matter who we associate with or not. Doesn't matter what we do, or what the truth is, you are likely going to keep attacking because that's what you want to do. And this is a war game, you have the numbers to run over small groups, so you are going to. Just be honest about it, don't try to make the small groups out to be the bad guys. You want to throw your weight around and pick fights with groups 1/10th your size, you are free to do so, but at least own up to that and stop pretending it is some glorious victory or justified crusade. You want to write histories of the world, great, make them accurate. You want to boast about victories, go for it, but be honest.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

I'll sum this up without a wall of text.

Me: Started a PnP to put the word out on SC and their allies straighten some facts.

13th Lochoi: "Woah don't lump us in with that mess, we take no credit for it."

Did I miss anything?

 

[DeletedUser54792]

Just the part where you say we betrayed something or someone. Win or lose, we've never broken our word on anything.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

I guess you can say that in the same way Democrats claim Hillary Clinton had any kind of authoritative legitimacy for "winning" the nomination.

I'll take OV's story over yours TBH.

 

[DeletedUser54792]

I can say that because it is true. They can say whatever they want, it doesn't matter. All they can lose is respect, and I doubt that matters to them in the least. I am sure they will lose a lot more respect before all is said and done.

 

[DeletedUser41523]

Yeah so is Hillary as a presidential nominee, its true she won. Its just a BS way of going about it. You guys are clearly helping SC. As I said originally, even those private thoughts that might support SC, that's just as good as a pact with SC to us. Trying to carefully word it by saying "we coordinate with them but don't have a pact" and then adding "but they still hit us" doesn't really change it for us. It just makes us all think 13th players are ridiculous for going along with that to begin with.

 

[Coxwana]

The point of my posts was to clear up a matter of record. Simply trying to get our side of events out there so that inaccurate things can stopped being posted about us. Pass information to what wrong hands? To what benefit? How would that, in any way, be advantageous for us? That doesn't even make sense, it would be pointless, we would have far more to lose then we could ever gain.

As I already said, at this point we fully expect that OV are going to be hostile towards us no matter what. It doesn't matter who we associate with or not. Doesn't matter what we do, or what the truth is, you are likely going to keep attacking because that's what you want to do. And this is a war game, you have the numbers to run over small groups, so you are going to. Just be honest about it, don't try to make the small groups out to be the bad guys. You want to throw your weight around and pick fights with groups 1/10th your size, you are free to do so, but at least own up to that and stop pretending it is some glorious victory or justified crusade. You want to write histories of the world, great, make them accurate. You want to boast about victories, go for it, but be honest.

If it isn't green or blue...... it gets hit. I apologize to no one for nothing in regards to this game and me attacking another player that isn't a team mate or ally. Red or brown, you are fair game and get treated as such. EVERYONE would do the same. You are/have been in between Us and SC. We wanted SC after they treated us the way they did. We have a speed 2 world with a troop speed of 1. Now for those that are too simple to understand where this is going....................

We couldn't send CS's from 7-8 hours away against an active enemy. We needed to get close, for that to happen, we have to go through 13th.

That is tactics and strategy. For which, I will not apologize for. I am not trying to justify anything. I'll hit whoever I damn well please if it's not blue or green. It's a war game. Suck it up.