Clearly a lot of points for me to address, I apologise for the long text.
At the outset, I say again, the attitudes and responses from the AX/AN side are a contributing factor in our decision making... you could for instance, have instigated diplomacy, or contacted me directly in game. Instead, we have insults and propaganda here.
There is a general suggestion from AX/AN/HAF posts that you believe TC has somehow been bullied into our current action. That could not be further from the truth. We are fiercely independent and we were quite prepared to go to war on multiple fronts and indeed planned for it. (note 'prepared to', not 'wanted to').... But as I hinted at, diplomacy can achieve much and we are proud to have the allies and friends we have.
There also seems to be a suggestion that we have perhaps made a hasty decision with little thought or consideration. Again, could not be further from the truth. We debated many issues in our council long and hard (which by the way does not have 20 members lol), looking at things from different angles, thinking about various options, there was a lot to consider.
The AX/AN/HAF responses essentially seem to be complaining that we have taken the “easy option”... I think for 'easy', we can read = the option that AX/AN/HAF least favour... Or yet another way to put it could be for 'easy option' we can read = the most strategically beneficial option for TC.
I find it mildly amusing for anyone to suggest the notion of taking an 'easy option'... do you guys go through life always choosing the hard option? That would seem a fairly foolish approach to life. We consider all options, then chose the one we feel is appropriate.
To answer one point regarding N.W.O refugees etc, anyone who wishes to see the distribution of the former N.W.O players now can check, they have found new homes with TC, TBE and TP. We fought the war, N.W.O dissolved and we dealt with the refugee issue as we saw fit, with consideration again given to many factors. If anyone wishes to draw baseless conclusions from any of the outcomes, then be my guest.
For such great alliances as AX/AN, I find the lack of strategic foresight disappointing. Rob and the AX/AN side seem to have considered that TC were such an insignificant factor on Theta, that they had no need to contact us in any meaningful way to explore possibilities... that would seem short sighted of you... particularly given you all now seem so upset at the prospect of TC being your enemy, why do you care if we are of no concern? Rob said AX/AN felt no need for an ally… But did you not consider that if we were not your ally we may end up as your enemy?
Note: I am not saying such contact would have made a difference to TC stance, but the absence of any contact certainly helped in our decision making process. It was your business to contact us or not. Don’t try to turn matters around onto TC saying we should have contacted you, that is wishful thinking.
Many keep mentioning Kiwisteve and freak brother, but you cannot consider what I said regarding these fellows in isolation and I have nothing against them personally at all… I said clearly, they were a contributing factor among many considerations. It is not them that is the issue, it is AX/AN/HAF cities.
I’ll now address a few points directly, but there is so much PnP flying around please don’t try to drag me into constantly answering foolish notions and comments here in the externals, I simply cannot be bothered.
callinectes isn't at least member in AN/AX. It really would be a pure nonsense to accuse AN of arrogance towards TC using the opinions of someone who is not even a member of AN.
I did not accuse anyone of arrogance, but your choice of word is interesting isn’t it, is that your own observation? callinectes has AX/AN connections, and is in HAF, your allies. I stand by my comment,
which was not regarding only calli anyway, it was regarding many of the posts of AN/AX/HAF within this thread, and which continue to be made.
Kiwisteve was not accepted, but invited to join AN. It's interesting that you raised the issue of his "refugee" status here, on the external forum, but you completely forgot to approach AN about it.
Quite correct, however, it is also accepted convention that an alliance should check to make sure those they invite are not refugees, and if they are, to seek to negotiate matters if appropriate. No one contacted us. Trying to turn it round onto TC again is poor form, sure we could have initiated contact, but we didn’t and neither did you.
And Eve, there is a diplomatic custom that requires to declare the war first to the ones you intend to fight. Of course, TC conveniently forgot about it. Again, a very diplomatic approach indeed.
If you read carefully, you will see no declaration of war for a reason, in fact my words were chosen carefully. Essentially you and your comrade’s reactions here in the externals and in PMs have shown your true colours and attitudes towards TC,
what we only suspected before, is being confirmed.
Regarding freakbrother, he is very much set on his own journey throughout Theta, a journey that has nothing to do with AN policy. If you feel threatened about him taking ghosts in every Theta ocean, just take those in your oceans back.
I refer you to my original post… read carefully. However, why are you folks getting so hung up on individual matters like this, it was just one piece of the jig saw. And do I really have to explain the strategic significance/advantage of having friendly cities in and around potential enemy oceans for you? I doubt it. It was not freak brother himself, I have nothing against him, it is the presence of AN/AX cities. Simple.
AN/AX have never stated a policy to move towards you, hence none of these two alliances ever endangered your security.
I have a PM stating to me that the AX/AN intention is to move north, everyone knows your plans. North is towards us weather you like it or not. So we will keep our own council on what represents a threat to our security. I will say again, though I am slightly blue in the face now… there were lots of matters considered, no one single matter decided anything.
All these considered you had a lot of options but you were interested just in one because, indeed, you have chosen your losing side a long time ago. You just didn't have the guts to admit it and you came here trying to spread a lot of lies in order to show what a respectable alliance TC is and how the AN/AX villains victimized it and forced it to do something against its will. Well Eve, you failed miserably at both. You only showed that TC is not at all as respectable as you would like to think, but rather an opportunistic frightened bunch that needs huge superiority in numbers in order to have the guts to attack a top ten alliance.
We had options, we considered them, we decided, I fail to see why painting a different fantasy picture is helpful. This final paragraph has no semblance of reality in it.
I would like you to point out what lies I have tried to spread… specifically please… Quote me something I have said that is factually incorrect? I look forward to your reply on this matter and will happily stand corrected if you can identify something. Good luck
A lie is something done on purpose, with the intention of misleading someone, of hiding the truth. I have not done anything of the sort, and you questioning my integrity here is perhaps more confirmation that TC has chosen the correct course of action.
Insults are not welcome, I don’t intend to rise to the bate. I have defended TC on these forums for over a year now, in my opinion we have nothing left to prove, whatever happens we in TC will leave Theta proud of our achievements and that is all that counts. But I realise nothing TC says or does is likely to convince people who doubt our worth or our principles and that is fine. There were doubters when we were an academy ranked on the 2nd or 3rd page, and there are still doubters now… We will just keep doing what we do, having fun while we do it.
Your not talking to some hot head here Rob, I find the type of nonsense in that final paragraph disappointing.
Ev
Ps – I would also like to give credit to londonlarsen for his diplomacy and patience. Its ironic, AX/AN/HAF think we have been bossed about by TP/JW etc. But the hours and days london and I spent negotiating and thrashing things out are testament to a great friendship neither TP or TC wanted to see ruined. We have good relationships with all our allies. Friendships can be rocky sometimes, but friendships outlast minor differences. As I said before, TC is proud to have the allies we have.
Pps, Is it not a strange quirk of war that the once mighty, when diminished, seek to paint themselves as the underdog and the victim… often though, its simply that David grew bigger and stronger than Goliath.
