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Looks like ORCA isn't the only ones putting 40,000+ biremes in their revolted wonder island cities.
 

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lol never said anything against that, that is just being smart.
 

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WALL OF TEXT TIME:

Horus, I think that Cisfe is asking for your ingame name not to PM you battle reports, but rather to face you on the battlefield. :)

Amusingly, cisfe should know I don't play Psi anymore. I would throw the term 'daft' around, but I may unwittingly elevate somebody to a level of respectability in the process.

Could you please clarify what you meant with "According to the logic used by Alcyon and others here, you're using the experience of sitting in the receiving seat." ?
I am not sure I understand the meaning.

This one is straight-forward. SF players are being told their attacks are far from impressive based on what ORCA players are receiving, when ironically, some of the reports sent my way from players receiving attacks from ORCA would match, and in some cases be held in the same or less regard. Ergo, hypocrisy.

Concerning your comments, as lmaria and myself have mentioned, we are carrying over an old problem, the fact that ORCA being the merger of various alliances, has had in its past some MRA aspects incorporated. These decisions have nothing to do with the current leadership, though. Etc...

Bolded is an understatement in itself. Maybe when CA was a solo alliance, you may get away with that description, but CA in itself is only a portion of what makes up modern day 'ORCA', and was an unimpressive group in terms of fighting BP early on. In fact, CAs existence in Psi can be summarized as trying to be a 'one-hit wonder.' If not for the pursuit of simming your way to victory, your alliance wouldn't be here, and since your alliance wasn't the only one to take up building wonders, CA, or ORCA; finally found out they actually have to fight for something for a change.

I also am not sure of what to make of your highly redundant, but seemingly cute attempt at trying to feign agreement here, not even someone lying through their teeth would attempt that considering the implications, let alone someone trying to give a serious reply as you seem to have.

Therefore, this means that our conquering cities of SF does not have to do with MRA tactics used to overwhelm you. This is totally incorrect, because the players proceeding from the MRA past usually do not take part in the offensive actions. Etc... [/U]

My apologies, ORCA is not a MRA of the past or present because it doesn't use swarm tactics, on the contrary, it is an MRA of the past and present because it advocates the creation of ridiculous numbers of brother/sister branches to the level that 4TRESS once did, recruiting far higher numbers or engaging in wars where they disproportionally outweigh their opponents in terms of membership size with few exceptions, whether defensive or offensive, more likely the former when one takes strategy into consideration; recruiting/pacting their way out of wars on occasion, engaging at points in rampant simming, and in general becoming a part of coalitions against smaller, more successful groups, trying to gain the upper hand as an alliance and as a coalition member. I stand corrected, and feel completely assured to the contrary now.

Statements to this effect regarding SF should be treated as the pot calling the kettle black, including how it conducts fighting maneuvers, which would easily summarize the replies from ORCA and friends in this thread.

You mention that most of ORCA´s conquests have taken place in O66 and O76 close to our core. That is correct for two reasons, and you know that already:
1. Proximity of the Wonder Islands. These are priorities and must be protected
2. Most of our active players are too far from your core, but we are working on that ;)

I shall repeat myself since you didn't pick up the nuance; your compatriots here are gloating over an achievement that is relatively trivial. Your active captures, the vast-overwhelming majority of which were in oceans strategically easy for you to take due to a higher presence and which are oceans away from most SF cities. You were also able to capture them in a vacuum caused by the diplomatic tide of Wargasm changing sides since their attacks on you ceased, as is customary of their fickle alliance. While not necessarily a bad tactic on ORCAs part to take said cities, this isn't a great accomplishment either, and thus the circle-jerking here is laughably ridiculous and beyond a level of arrogance and irony not even Tariq himself could match.

This is only one or two steps away from the nonsense of 4TRESS thinking that it can beat SF by banding together in larger numbers and turtling/stacking to the heavens... or better yet; this doesn't even begin to touch on the irony of the OP calling SF a bunch of turtles, and yet the OP and company here seemed to have lost their voice or have been overall less vocal during a time in which 4TRESS was at their prime, among other notable examples.

Wow Lie right out of the gate.... We at our peak have had roughly 86 players.... Sf/Sf2/warg/2able/TC/Be/ and Up at the time had much more than that..

What a funny way to dance around the point and omit actual facts to the contrary, whether prior to OR and CAs merge, the immediate aftermath, and the fact that Wargasm didn't have 4-5 branches as it may have previously during the very recent change in diplomacy, this statement is dubious at best. Nice try though. Keep stating Wargasm was larger while ignoring the fact that ORCA, MAYATOPIA, and 4TRESS were also as well around the same time.

Um this is an opinion by you which seems to be false since 4tress out numbered you guys and didn't take cities... Odd since the facts prove opposite...

Were you either asleep or suffering from myopia around the stage at which 4TRESS was mainly capturing inactive cities from SF and boasting about it, or mocking a handful of newer SF2 players ability to attack while some of their more seasoned players were sending unescorted transports? They did also make a few active captures, but only in strategically selective circumstances (sound familiar?). 4TRESS also loves pacting and creating coalitions against the big bad meanies of SF.

Of course, you are a member of Eviction Notice in another world, an alliance renowned for all of the above MRA tactics and then some, which pacts and recruits its way out of wars, then arrogantly proclaims highly trivial accomplishments on the externals. Could a pattern be forming here?

OMG something that has some truth to it.... We lost cities when the number 1 alliance the number 3 alliance and nmber 4 alliance all hit us at the same time... Really we lost cities.... And SF didnt do the damage wargasm took 2 times as many cities but guess what U guys didnt revolt our wonder which was the goal :p.

You seem to ignore even Alcyon's replies as to how certain events have transpired, but I'll reiterate and connect the dots for you. Your wonders are buried in the heart of your territory, so trying to go for wonders at that distance, with your sized alliance and your defensive capabilities might just be risky. Wargasm taking more cities is also not surprising considering their positioning and bordering to your alliance, on top of the fact that when pacted with SF, you were a bigger target, where as SF still had to contend with other alliances, and has half as many players.

I havent seen so much fact checking needed since the last time the 2 presidential candidates spoke... But hey you may make a good politician with all the webs u are spinning.... And yes i was looking for your in game name assuming you have one in PSI.... And we shall show you our offensive in-capabilities that you so confidently post on here.

:D

There is an English proverb stating that 'empty vessels make the loudest sound.' Every time you make a reply, I must be hearing an echo from Bellerophon.
 
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WALL OF TEXT TIME:Amusingly, cisfe should know I don't play Psi anymore. I would throw the term 'daft' around, but I may unwittingly elevate somebody to a level of respectability in the process.
How should i know you do not play PSI anymore.

Bolded is an understatement in itself. Maybe when CA was a solo alliance, you may get away with that description, but CA in itself is only a portion of what makes up modern day 'ORCA', and was an unimpressive group in terms of fighting BP early on. In fact, CAs existence in Psi can be summarized as trying to be a 'one-hit wonder.' If not for the pursuit of simming your way to victory, your alliance wouldn't be here, and since your alliance wasn't the only one to take up building wonders, CA, or ORCA; finally found out they actually have to fight for something for a change.

I cannot speak to this except when i joined CA... We had a war going on with wargasm. Which i guarantee you both sides will say are better attackers than SF is currently. So this shot at CA does not phase me or the members that I brought into CA... But i do recall CA having many wars but again out on the RIM you may not have notices while you we " not dealing with 4tress" at the time.


I dont feel like quoting ur next thing so let me ask u a question instead.... Will you consider us an MRA when in the very near future we have same number of Players as SF and SF2? You also speak of 4t hitting SF inactives I have never seen SF have that problem. Is a little fishy if u ask me.

What a funny way to dance around the point and omit actual facts to the contrary, whether prior to OR and CAs merge, the immediate aftermath, and the fact that Wargasm didn't have 4-5 branches as it may have previously during the very recent change in diplomacy, this statement is dubious at best. Nice try though. Keep stating Wargasm was larger while ignoring the fact that ORCA, MAYATOPIA, and 4TRESS were also as well around the same time.

Blah Blah Blah... I still have never had contact with Mayatopia and 4tress was allied with Wargasm at the time. We made no contact with them until after we had peace with wargasm. I guess you just didnt have all the facts at the time... But when SF did this they outnumbered us 2 to 1 and out pointed us 3 to 1.... You bring up EN I thought we we not gunna bring up other worlds... I play there for fun I had a number ask me to play there and i did for real until we destroyed PD. I respected PD and was against us have "1"
branch but you consider that an MRA i guess. So why not call SF an MRA they had a branch before CA was even formed :p

You seem to ignore even Alcyon's replies as to how certain events have transpired, but I'll reiterate and connect the dots for you. Your wonders are buried in the heart of your territory, so trying to go for wonders at that distance, with your sized alliance and your defensive capabilities might just be risky. Wargasm taking more cities is also not surprising considering their positioning and bordering to your alliance, on top of the fact that when pacted with SF, you were a bigger target, where as SF still had to contend with other alliances, and has half as many players.

Of course it is risky. Does that stop us a "vastly in-superior alliance" to you. I wish SF would grow a pair. Instead they play the colonization Game..... Come on have some Freaking HONOR... THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAT A NOOB TRICK AND EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT IS HALF WAY DECENT KNOWS IT.........
 

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Im sooo good. Im going to join SF and colonize cities and lose 10k on the edge of my core :)

Keep it up guys.

You can tell the true SF has moved on and the nooby buddies are playing the accounts now
 

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Folks,

never read such nonsense
If not 2 of the three alliances that were formed at the beginning of the game collapsed, SF would be nowhere today
I remember when I started in PSI I was wondering about this "dying" world by looking at the SF territory
when MacEdward's Rim Express left almost all their cities behind as ghost (Same with TUQ)
(Although I must say it was quite a good performance to demoralize Rim Express that way *LOL*)

It was not a big deal for SF to grow that big by recycling 12k ghosts while others had to build up from scrap
What looks really strange to me is that the gap of size that SF has now to ORCA or Wargasm is not that huge as it should be
Is it because of the wrong leadership from all other alliances than SF?

For the BP of SF: If 60 players play for 2 years they will have about twice as much BP or even more than 60 players playing 1 year
or do you think there are only noobs at ORCA or Wargasm. I don't think so.
You can trust me when I'm saying that every alliance has the same ratio on good players and noobs.

For CA: Oh yes, the old players from CA were really good. Never seen anything like this in all the worlds I played than their organized well timed mass attacks
Unfortunately most of them left the game.

Last but not least about the small branches
I think it is better to recruit some "noobs" with one city from the rims to get fresh blood and have 1 out of 10 recruitments to turn out
as valuable players than leaving them out to grow there and having these so called "noobs" becoming a pain in the a.. like Eudoxia showed to be for 4Tress

Horus: Why are you not playing here any more
It cannot be a time reason that you are no longer on psi when you find the time to post here and keep yourself "updated" with the latest news
What was your ingame name?
 
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Completely agree Fid. Our branches are the result of taking in players with 1 or 2 cities rather than just ending the game for them. Is it fair for me to just take out some harmless player that has a single 5k city in the middle of our waters ? Other than the risk of them being a spy, we have decided that we are better off just letting these types of players into a branch so they can continue to play. Most of these guys end up quitting at some point and being recycled, but occasionally they develop into players that can help quite a bit later on in the game.
 

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Fidibus, regarding your analysis of SF's rise to power as a former leader of TUQ, I am very knowledgeable of how things occurred. TUQ did not leave many ghosts behind at all, the vast majority of TUQ joined SF or were already small inacitves being eaten. So really you couldn't be more wrong there SF won because of the vast quality of their players (many of which do not play anymore). SF is by far the most battle hardened alliance on this server if you think we have gotten to be #1 across the border by eating ghosts then your information is very wrong.
 

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So you would say that when Rim Express collapsed there were not many 10k + ghosts?? *LOL*
MacEdwards on his own had more than 35 cities when the biggest guys from other alliances had about 20 (like ashikoff or Klodshans)
The other alliances had almost only beginners at that time
And yes, TUQ merged and left ghosts or inactives as well there
Nevertheless it gave SF (as it is now) an advantage of fast growth at the beginning of this world
and a city density on a small area that is impressive
I also do not say that the performance of SF is not great
but reading all this stuff here makes me wondering that some people are claiming to be the best ever
and all others are noobs
I remember me and cisfe started almost same time when guys of SF had already 50 cities
Now we both knock on your door. Strange that YOU have visitors now and not vice versa
By the way and again: After playing 2 years you may have twice as much BP than people playing 1 year

For the chapters we have:
I'm wondering why SF is a graveyard for good players and not Wargasm (I don't speak about quitters - but people who are leaving)
Maratto
EsMatLa (wondering who is this "zombie" now)
mike86 ... joined -> left
and many more in the past
Further it is strange that people - especially at SF jump around on accounts like crazy
Strange kind of alliance management, isn't it?

The way you guys demolished Rim Express was impressive
The way you dealed with 4Tress was not impressive (but effective *LOL*)
If their leader was not quitting after the rainerli issue the picture would be different
But I think rainerli is paying the price now for this - getting destroyed by a small alliance
and escaping from VM to VM :/
Don't you help him? Is that the way SF says thank you to him?

Last but not least a question
You are the 3rd guy now claiming to be a former leader of TUQ i meet here in PSI
How many "leaders" did you have over there?
 

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At the beginning of the SF vs RE war TUQ had a pact with both powers and was being asked by RE to come in on their side. It may sound cold-hearted to many but we held back being allies of both we were willing to come to RE's aid if they proved to have any fight in them, instead RE got steam rolled because they did not have it in them to win the fight. After TUQ joined SF in the war that is when RE ghosted (I don't really blame them with both core powers at their throats it would only have been a matter of time).

Regarding the player size that doesn't surprise me at all, it is an old mmos game maxim that if you want wars start in the core but if you want to be big start on the rim.

Regarding the players leaving the orginal Marratto was a good player and guy, what I think of the current one is not fit for these forums.
For the rest I do not have a good perspective as I was not in this world for a 6 month period.

As well with the 4T situation I was not here for that so no comment.

As for your final question congratulations you have met the entire former TUQ leadership team, myself,Francis MH White, and Baron1027.
 

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Regarding the player size that doesn't surprise me at all, it is an old mmos game maxim that if you want wars start in the core but if you want to be big start on the rim.

I disagree with this statement... Bc really SF had no war for 6 months or if it was a war with 4T they were absolutely pathetic.... Meanwhile out on the "RIM" were the is less war apparently i have been in a war for all but 4 weeks of this game 3 weeks leading up to WW and 1 week into WW... And while i have passed a many SF players in ABP i cant help but think that they were just not good. Or the good players are long and gone all but 4-5 remain of the once great alliance.... I think I should call your alliance the best "babysitters".

@Fid
The people from SF that come on here and chirp how they are so great are either the people who left and were apart of when they were good.... Or are the babysitters who dont belong here... You noticed it got real quite about how bad attackers we are hmmmmmmmm wonder why that is.... FYI now that our inactives are gone get ready for More to come SF. When we attack with wargasm we will see how the "babysitters" react.
 

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Cisfe what age are you? I thought you were a grown man right, but your posts and the mental capacity of a ten year old.
Fid and Ryan raise good points, I Actually had a private conversation with ryan about some of his points.
But anyway, please do attack 4tress. They are possibly the worst players in grepolis but it isn't hard to stack 40 cities when you outnumbered your oppents, which you will already know.

When we attack with wargasm
Can't the almighty ORCA do it themselves? You couldn't beat your chest harder, yet you've got to bring in a friend ;)
I wonder who needs the babysitter now, maybe you should phone some of SF :eek:
 

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Cisfe what age are you? I thought you were a grown man right, but your posts and the mental capacity of a ten year old.
Fid and Ryan raise good points, I Actually had a private conversation with ryan about some of his points.
But anyway, please do attack 4tress. They are possibly the worst players in grepolis but it isn't hard to stack 40 cities when you outnumbered your oppents, which you will already know.


Can't the almighty ORCA do it themselves? You couldn't beat your chest harder, yet you've got to bring in a friend ;)
I wonder who needs the babysitter now, maybe you should phone some of SF :eek:

I guess you didnt notice the 7 cities you lost in our last op....Wait all active players too :eek:..............

Yes we could do it alone but i would like this world to end before the new year................................

BTW more ABP by me the last 7 days than your whole month....
 
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Cisfe what age are you? I thought you were a grown man right, but your posts and the mental capacity of a ten year old.

Also I would be very impressed if a 10 year old was about 4.5 yrs from being a Dr.
My thoughts are just that mine. You do not have to agree with them (even if they hit home bc they are true). You can live in your fantasy world where SF is the best alliance ever and have won this world already. They fight to conquer cities not colonize them... Oh what a world it must be for you. ORCA is terrible at attacking and posses no threat to you winning this world.

Maybe, just maybe you will wake up and realize how flawed SF really is.
 

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You had to have a spy in our alliance, I Think that pretty much cancels out any cities taken.
You probably have made more ABP than me, however I've only been playing for roughly two weeks :p

If you were 4.5 years away from being a doctor than I probably am roughly 6.9 years away from being the supreme ruler of mars.
My thoughts are mine and they are true? Hmm pretty sure back in this thread you said that you weren't blowing your own trumpet ;)

This is the reason these forums are dead, players like you come on and beat there chest and go WE ARE THE BEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE SSSSWIIIINNNEEEEEE!!
Whereas Fib and Ryan provided good points for discussion ;) If you want a flame war, go post on some website for woman's rights or something, you would have a field day.
 

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If cisfe is 4.5 years away from being a Doctor, then DrDim is a Doctor...Oh, wait, DrDim is a Doctor :)

Hopefully we keep this all in good fun. At least the forum has picked up a bit.

As far as the core vs. rim argument. I think you can grow fast in either location. Some of it is luck and some is just how active you are. If you start later in a world (like I did) being on the rim has a lot of advantages. You are surrounding by similar size players, many of whom aren't really dedicated/active, and if you are really active, there isn't as much competition for expansion. I think in the core you have more consistent fighting from the start since there are potential targets on all 4 sides which leads to higher bp totals. Once the world fills in and there are similar city densities in core and rim oceans, I don't think it matters that much.
 

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You had to have a spy in our alliance, I Think that pretty much cancels out any cities taken.
You probably have made more ABP than me, however I've only been playing for roughly two weeks :p
Hey idiot why dont you try reading some of his names.... Yea wasnt our spy and you clowns let him in bc you are so desperate.....

My thoughts are mine and they are true? Hmm pretty sure back in this thread you said that you weren't blowing your own trumpet

This is the reason these forums are dead, players like you come on and beat there chest and go WE ARE THE BEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE SSSSWIIIINNNEEEEEE!!
Whereas Fib and Ryan provided good points for discussion If you want a flame war, go post on some website for woman's rights or something, you would have a field day.

Im not blowing my trumpet I am stating facts.

Something you cannot do bc I never said my alliance was the best i just said yours wasnt.... But you are an idiot who cannot read or does not understand things... You come on here and demean me personally. I have yet to call u names until now personally bc that is what you are a very unintelligent idiot.

Ps keep allying with the likes of Genesis, and colonizing and you will win.
 

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I don't know what is defined as the "rim" but I started Psi in O35 and the core where TUQ was at the time always seemed the most fun :(

Wasn't our spy? Oh that's funny who's was he then?
Hmm yeah well it's pretty obvious that there is currently some bad leadership decisions going on at the moment that I personally am seeking to correct.
Not one person's opinion in this world is "fact" it's simply what they think, shows your blowing your own trumpet. Calling someone a very unintelligent idiot simply because they disagree with you, is blowing your own trumpet. It's strange, I can not read yet I'm replying to every one of your messages :O
 

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The fact I was referring to is that in the past 5 days i have 103k ABP.... While you on the other hand in the last month have a staggering 64k ABP... Not blowing my own trumpet stating a fact.

You are an idiot bc u make up statements I say in your head i guess. "Fact" I never said "WE ARE THE BEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE SSSSWIIIINNNEEEEEE!!" as you implied.


Sorry forgot....why dont u try looking at some of the "Spies" city names
 
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Yeah and I already provided adequate reason as to why that is, plus don't you have like twice my amount of cities? Look who's the idiot now.

Yes exactly I "implied" do you know the meaning of that word?
I noticed that, obviously the reason he went to wargasm. But if you can honestly say that Misfits didn't turn round and give you information on when Sf were attacking you are straight lying ;P
 
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