Mkay, just gonna put this to bed now.
Twice*. You guys have asked twice, the first time was wingedhussar which was accepted no problem.
Despite the fact that Welsh spammed some of us less than 12 hours prior after we cleared him and stuck a banter in, we were pretty willing to get things done here too. Its just that your leads also had requested an NAP and were given a standing offer to confirm that with our leader (They came to me because they were hoping to side step Mik due to not liking him). Which was more or less tied in with a no hit as a two birds with one stone sort of thing. They said they'd confirm it the following day, that's weird to me when your friend is in the hospital, but fine whatever not my alliance to run anymore. They never followed up. Got mad and blamed us. Claimed we screwed around with them...this is despite the day before thanking me for being straight forward with them. But even removing the NAP. Just to walk through the process of events, there was zero follow up by anyone, nobody asked to review/confirm any details, nobody even asked about just getting a Welsh no hit in place first, nobody tried to straighten things out after clearly some details were missed. I more or less left this convo assuming that things were wrapped up and came back to getting spammed. This is despite all of them knowing that they could simply ping and ask what was going on or if there was something missed. They actively and knowingly chose counter productive decisions.
But hey, miscommunications happen. So after a few cooler heads got some people to calm down, RR leads then got a second standing offer for just a no hit on Welsh roughly 48 hours before his VM would start (because he didn't hit VM right away). They again sat on it for a day, demanded that Mik come to them, and then rejected it.
You'll never convince me that these people are serious or actually care about Welsh at this point.