Nakierza
<b>King Andromeda</b>
Even so, cities are a way to measure overall growth, you can only get new cities by obtaining city slots, by which means are BP. Because of this, I think it basically is one of the best measurements of growth.
Even so, cities are a way to measure overall growth, you can only get new cities by obtaining city slots, by which means are BP. Because of this, I think it basically is one of the best measurements of growth.
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Troops!? What would we want to build them for, if we did that we'd have even less resources to try and max all our city buildings! Geez, you're such a noob
No, it was tg12345. If it hadn't whined so much and run off ghosting, I'd say fair play to him.
In fairness to LoM, they don't have much choice but to be defensive right now.
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sorry I have to disagree here, I believe most culture points in this world are gained through the olympic games, spending gold
some of the top players would need 300+ CPs now to get a city slot, and no one is attacking on that scale,
DW probably are doing enough attacking, but as we are not really gifting them many DBPs besides when we attack our inactives they have no choice but to do the olympic games.
DeletedUser3926
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Graeme - I agree with you that a lot of the top players are not earning culture points from bp. However, SirThomas and MilantheGreat are the top fighters in the World and they do have enough bp that would indicate no gold needs spending by them.
I disagree that its gold that gains the most culture points, city festivals are the main earner of cp. Its much quicker and easier to gain culture points from festivals than battle, but a combination of the two can keep most good players ticking over with new cities. What really counts is time and good city management which I assume you and people like exe0 have because you are two of the highest new city takers in the world in last 28 days. I don't think new cities are harder the more you get, as you have more cities to run festivals and more troops to attack with.
What I do spend gold on is the experts, and its a shame anyone has to pay for them, its particularly unfair on those who don't, to be honest managing 100 cities would be impossible without them. If anyone has 40 cities in this world and does not use the experts then they are the real top players in my eyes.
I disagree that its gold that gains the most culture points, city festivals are the main earner of cp. Its much quicker and easier to gain culture points from festivals than battle, but a combination of the two can keep most good players ticking over with new cities. What really counts is time and good city management which I assume you and people like exe0 have because you are two of the highest new city takers in the world in last 28 days. I don't think new cities are harder the more you get, as you have more cities to run festivals and more troops to attack with.
What I do spend gold on is the experts, and its a shame anyone has to pay for them, its particularly unfair on those who don't, to be honest managing 100 cities would be impossible without them. If anyone has 40 cities in this world and does not use the experts then they are the real top players in my eyes.
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Here is the insane chart of Culture Points (each event gives you 1 Culture point in the Agora) required per TOWN (or Culture Level):
Towns/CL..Culture Points/Events Required
50...........3,675
51...........3,825
52...........3,978
53...........4,134
54...........4,293
55...........4,455
56...........4,620
57...........4,788
58...........4,959
59...........5,133
60...........5,310
61...........5,490
62...........5,673
63...........5,859
64...........6,048
65...........6,240
66...........6,435
67...........6,633
68...........6,834
69...........7,038
70...........7,245
71...........7,455
72...........7,668
73...........7,884
74...........8,103
75...........8,325
76...........8,550
77...........8,778
78...........9,009
79...........9,243
80...........9,480
81...........9,720
82...........9,963
83...........10,209
84...........10,458
85...........10,710
86...........10,965
87...........11,223
88...........11,484
89...........11,748
90...........12,015
91...........12,285
92...........12,558
93...........12,834
94...........13,113
95...........13,395
96...........13,680
97...........13,968
98...........14,259
99...........14,553
100..........14,850
101..........15,150
102..........15,453
103..........15,759
104..........16,068
105..........16,380
106..........16,695
107..........17,013
108..........17,334
109..........17,658
110..........17,985
111..........18,315
112..........18,648
113..........18,984
114..........19,323
115..........19,665
116..........20,010
117..........20,358
118..........20,709
119..........21,063
120..........21,420
121..........21,780
122..........22,143
123..........22,509
124..........22,878
125..........23,250
126..........23,625
127..........24,003
128..........24,384
129..........24,768
130..........25,155
131..........25,545
132..........25,938
133..........26,334
134..........26,733
135..........27,135
136..........27,540
137..........27,948
138..........28,359
139..........28,773
140..........29,190
141..........29,610
142..........30,033
143..........30,459
144..........30,888
145..........31,320
146..........31,755
147..........32,193
148..........32,634
149..........33,078
150..........33,525
151..........33,975
152..........34,428
153..........34,884
154..........35,343
155..........35,805
156..........36,270
157..........36,738
158..........37,209
159..........37,683
160..........38,160
161..........38,640
162..........39,123
163..........39,609
164..........40,098
165..........40,590
166..........41,085
167..........41,583
168..........42,084
169..........42,588
170..........43,095
171..........43,605
172..........44,118
173..........44,634
174..........45,153
175..........45,675
176..........46,200
177..........46,728
178..........47,259
179..........47,793
180..........48,330
181..........48,870
182..........49,413
183..........49,959
184..........50,508
185..........51,060
186..........51,615
187..........52,173
188..........52,734
189..........53,298
190..........53,865
191..........54,435
192..........55,008
193..........55,584
194..........56,163
195..........56,745
196..........57,330
197..........57,918
198..........58,509
199..........59,103
200..........59,700
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so for you Rex with 105 cities you will be needing 16695+ CPs, 16695 x 300 battle points would be 5 006 500.
your battle points are 1508229 if I divide that by 300 it would be 5028, which would be around 58 cities you have got 47% of your city slots through either festivals or olympics,
Not saying you have but if you consider on your stats above, if you had used gold for CPs
that would mean over 10000 culture points have been earned with 50 gold
that would be 500 000 gold spent
In the UK it is £70 for 25000 gold, so 500 000 divide that by 25000 = 20 then multiply that by the £70 equals a whopping £1500 in just over 12 months on a game $2298 US Dollars,
this is not including what could have been spent on troops, ships
I am not saying you have used gold for your slots but you can be sure others out there are, which is way to scary and in theory, the game should have a sort of gambling warning on here, this game can become very addictive
Sirthomas the player with the most BPs in the world, has 1874611 Battle points divide that by 300 = 6249 CPs meaning 65 city slots, he has 76 so has done festivals (the free one) or olympics
so my statement "I believe most culture points in this world are gained through the olympic games, spending gold" is nearly correct
gold spending is part of the game and will never change now, and the olympics would work out cheaper in the long run, than building troops and ships
I have seen 2x 200+ light ship nukes coming from the same city within 5 days (no names mentioned) but that is some gold spending.
I have been spending on the olympics a lot recently to get my city slots but as I have colonised a whole island 20 of the cities have not got level 30 academy so that is limiting my growth.
looking at the gold equation above, I think I need to stop doing it and have the theory of what will be will be, after all it is only a game and that sort of money is a stupid amount to spend, and so easily spent, especially considering I am in 2 worlds at present
If I am wrong with my calculations I am sorry, it wont be the 1st time, it is me usually getting things correct that is the rare occurrence
What I would love is a world that you have to pay entry for, then there is no gold spending allowed except for the advisers,
but looking on what could be spent in a world above, I am sure Inno will not be going down that route, I know I wouldn't
Towns/CL..Culture Points/Events Required
50...........3,675
51...........3,825
52...........3,978
53...........4,134
54...........4,293
55...........4,455
56...........4,620
57...........4,788
58...........4,959
59...........5,133
60...........5,310
61...........5,490
62...........5,673
63...........5,859
64...........6,048
65...........6,240
66...........6,435
67...........6,633
68...........6,834
69...........7,038
70...........7,245
71...........7,455
72...........7,668
73...........7,884
74...........8,103
75...........8,325
76...........8,550
77...........8,778
78...........9,009
79...........9,243
80...........9,480
81...........9,720
82...........9,963
83...........10,209
84...........10,458
85...........10,710
86...........10,965
87...........11,223
88...........11,484
89...........11,748
90...........12,015
91...........12,285
92...........12,558
93...........12,834
94...........13,113
95...........13,395
96...........13,680
97...........13,968
98...........14,259
99...........14,553
100..........14,850
101..........15,150
102..........15,453
103..........15,759
104..........16,068
105..........16,380
106..........16,695
107..........17,013
108..........17,334
109..........17,658
110..........17,985
111..........18,315
112..........18,648
113..........18,984
114..........19,323
115..........19,665
116..........20,010
117..........20,358
118..........20,709
119..........21,063
120..........21,420
121..........21,780
122..........22,143
123..........22,509
124..........22,878
125..........23,250
126..........23,625
127..........24,003
128..........24,384
129..........24,768
130..........25,155
131..........25,545
132..........25,938
133..........26,334
134..........26,733
135..........27,135
136..........27,540
137..........27,948
138..........28,359
139..........28,773
140..........29,190
141..........29,610
142..........30,033
143..........30,459
144..........30,888
145..........31,320
146..........31,755
147..........32,193
148..........32,634
149..........33,078
150..........33,525
151..........33,975
152..........34,428
153..........34,884
154..........35,343
155..........35,805
156..........36,270
157..........36,738
158..........37,209
159..........37,683
160..........38,160
161..........38,640
162..........39,123
163..........39,609
164..........40,098
165..........40,590
166..........41,085
167..........41,583
168..........42,084
169..........42,588
170..........43,095
171..........43,605
172..........44,118
173..........44,634
174..........45,153
175..........45,675
176..........46,200
177..........46,728
178..........47,259
179..........47,793
180..........48,330
181..........48,870
182..........49,413
183..........49,959
184..........50,508
185..........51,060
186..........51,615
187..........52,173
188..........52,734
189..........53,298
190..........53,865
191..........54,435
192..........55,008
193..........55,584
194..........56,163
195..........56,745
196..........57,330
197..........57,918
198..........58,509
199..........59,103
200..........59,700
so for you Rex with 105 cities you will be needing 16695+ CPs, 16695 x 300 battle points would be 5 006 500.
your battle points are 1508229 if I divide that by 300 it would be 5028, which would be around 58 cities you have got 47% of your city slots through either festivals or olympics,
Not saying you have but if you consider on your stats above, if you had used gold for CPs
that would mean over 10000 culture points have been earned with 50 gold
that would be 500 000 gold spent
In the UK it is £70 for 25000 gold, so 500 000 divide that by 25000 = 20 then multiply that by the £70 equals a whopping £1500 in just over 12 months on a game $2298 US Dollars,
this is not including what could have been spent on troops, ships
I am not saying you have used gold for your slots but you can be sure others out there are, which is way to scary and in theory, the game should have a sort of gambling warning on here, this game can become very addictive
Sirthomas the player with the most BPs in the world, has 1874611 Battle points divide that by 300 = 6249 CPs meaning 65 city slots, he has 76 so has done festivals (the free one) or olympics
so my statement "I believe most culture points in this world are gained through the olympic games, spending gold" is nearly correct
gold spending is part of the game and will never change now, and the olympics would work out cheaper in the long run, than building troops and ships
I have seen 2x 200+ light ship nukes coming from the same city within 5 days (no names mentioned) but that is some gold spending.
I have been spending on the olympics a lot recently to get my city slots but as I have colonised a whole island 20 of the cities have not got level 30 academy so that is limiting my growth.
looking at the gold equation above, I think I need to stop doing it and have the theory of what will be will be, after all it is only a game and that sort of money is a stupid amount to spend, and so easily spent, especially considering I am in 2 worlds at present
If I am wrong with my calculations I am sorry, it wont be the 1st time, it is me usually getting things correct that is the rare occurrence
What I would love is a world that you have to pay entry for, then there is no gold spending allowed except for the advisers,
but looking on what could be spent in a world above, I am sure Inno will not be going down that route, I know I wouldn't
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DeletedUser42118
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Carol Vorderman is here (for British only)
Carol Vorderman is here (for British only)
DeletedUser
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I like her, would love to do some topology with her under her algebra
DeletedUser
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Turd this is like saying your alliance is the best through player averages, its easy when you have 39 players as there are less to share with.
If LOM dropped to 39 members we would be the best on averages, if we had our 39 best fighters in that alliance we would be better than your alliance, stats can be shown to increase alliance's rep but it depends on what stats are shown.
There are players within LOM who are some of the best on the server but we do have to share our gains and stats with players who do less due to their size
Apa are not the best at anything on the server, but if you want to show stats here to increase your reputation then do.
If you do think your alliance is so mighty then tell DW and ME to back off for 2-3 weeks and LOM and Apa can go 1 V 1 without any interference, we will soon see how well Apa defend without DW support.
I know your response will be "but LOM outnumber us 3 to 1 per player" but you clearly think your alliance is the best pound for pound.
Do you accept my challenge?
If you do we will have to get DW and ME to sit on the sidelines, I'm sure they will agree
But wouldn't it be nice to see LOM vs Apa for 1-2 weeks without any interference
ME did absorb an entire alliance- AO that would account for their city rise also they have been recruiting Goodfellas players.
DW also took in players from "Reapers"
The amount of cities an alliance has does not account for their worth, its all about what players you have running the cities and getting the best out of them
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DeletedUser3926
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Graeme - great post, and I can find nothing wrong with your Maths. I too have spent gold on culture points but not in the last few months.
You are right the game is addictive, and the possibility of spending too much gold is there for all to see, I have spent too much, but its not at the level you have calculated, thank God.
For Milan and SirThomas as well as others, I just think its more likely and certainly possible that they have made up there cp with festivals. Looking at your numbers for SirThomas, you could almost argue he isn't doing enough festivals. I don't include me in this, as I have done it in the past, but I believe its possible to be a top player in respect of cities without Gold spending on cp, but its not without the experts.
From your graph looks like I am wrong about getting city spots as you get more cities, it looks harder from the graph.
With some careful resource management and not forgetting to keep farming I have found its possible to have 50/60 festivals constantly running at any one time. With some bp thrown in I should get a new level every 4/5 days, which I am guessing is not too much slower than most.
You are right the game is addictive, and the possibility of spending too much gold is there for all to see, I have spent too much, but its not at the level you have calculated, thank God.
For Milan and SirThomas as well as others, I just think its more likely and certainly possible that they have made up there cp with festivals. Looking at your numbers for SirThomas, you could almost argue he isn't doing enough festivals. I don't include me in this, as I have done it in the past, but I believe its possible to be a top player in respect of cities without Gold spending on cp, but its not without the experts.
From your graph looks like I am wrong about getting city spots as you get more cities, it looks harder from the graph.
With some careful resource management and not forgetting to keep farming I have found its possible to have 50/60 festivals constantly running at any one time. With some bp thrown in I should get a new level every 4/5 days, which I am guessing is not too much slower than most.
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I could do another one about resource production and how long with mines at level 40, normal farming (not other cities) to get enough for a festival, but as the last one I did took 4 hours deleting and editing it,
I will refrain
I will refrain
DeletedUser39847
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I'm pretty sure the calculations for both were worked out and posted somewhere. It also accounts for the real money cost of a city slot from city 1 to 100+
I'm sure Iced will link it
I'm sure Iced will link it
DeletedUser
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I would love to see that,
DeletedUser42118
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Rex your right with your 4/5 days per CP. Whatever level your are if you run city festivals in 60% of your cities and also attack in the time being you will achieve a slot in 4/5 days, if you get attacked 2 a week.
I am not keen on saying this but i will..... look at Hobster, he doesn't use much/any gold.
I am not keen on saying this but i will..... look at Hobster, he doesn't use much/any gold.
DeletedUser
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Hobster is a pro!! He just knows the game
DeletedUser
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I don't know hobster, but agree he is playing the game wisely,
my question would be can you be a full on attacking and defending player (using lots of resources on troops and ships) and also get the CPs by using resources for festivals?
or is it you can only use resources for festivals with the very occasional defending?
I personally believe it is one way or the other, either CPs through festivals or CPs through BPs, IMO it would be impossible for a player to be fighting the world and also running festivals in most cities, unless you have cities near by you can farm on a regular occurrence.
Hobster has 86000 battle points, but 105 cities so I am guessing he is going down the sensible cheaper route,
academy 30, mines full, cities full of defensive troops, with the odd ls nukes, festivals and theatres running as often as possible, to give him the CPs
DeletedUser42118
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When i was in DW i had 50/50 offence/defense. Never being attacked made me able to run festivals in my 0 population defense cities or i could build faster by transferring resources, even when transferring you get to run the occasional festival.
It is impossible to be a full on fighter and run loads of festivals at the same time, if you do your not a full on fighter.
Nakierza
<b>King Andromeda</b>
It doesn't matter which way alliances and players get their cities. They are still growing in terms of points, so your statement is invalid in this argument. Either way, Legion of Mayhem is not outperforming every other alliance right now. Legion of Mayhem literally has had very little growth in the past 4 weeks compared to the other top three. Exe0 said that they were doing the best in the world, well think what you want but facts state otherwise.
Growth in the past four weeks of top four alliances:
Legion of Mayhem
Dark Wolves
Mycenaean Empire
Apathetic
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Nakierza
<b>King Andromeda</b>
So? You said that Legion of Mayhem was outperforming every other alliance in the server. I proved you wrong, it doesn't matter how they got their cities. If I am wrong, what the Hel* did you mean by 'outperforming'?
DeletedUser
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There are more ways to outperform everyone than just growth...