DeletedUser31385
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I know they will try other things in the future. We just have to stop the bad ones from going through.
Petition to Stop "Warfare Packages" from coming into the game
I know they will try other things in the future. We just have to stop the bad ones from going through.
DeletedUser48638
Guest
Hello, I am a player from the portuguese server, but I sometimes play here... O would like to sign the petition to... Innogames is forgetting those who play without any gold and make this game what it is...
If you continue giving this kind of benefits to those who play with lots of gold, grepolis will start to be a game for those o use their money on this! So I agree with this action and would like to support this!
If you continue giving this kind of benefits to those who play with lots of gold, grepolis will start to be a game for those o use their money on this! So I agree with this action and would like to support this!
DeletedUser
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DeletedUser20415
Guest
This is the second time, that we make inno rethink about changing or adding some features, the first time was the HC, this is second time, congrats to all and thank you to everyone that made this happen again
DeletedUser33530
Guest
not much but it's progress
DeletedUser31385
Guest
Any progress is good as long as it isn't towards a pay to win grepolis.
DeletedUser
Guest
You're correct that the beta server is a test site. I've played there as well. I think that everyone's concern is that the tests on the beta server become applied to the the main worlds a few months later. I honestly don't remember any that weren't but no doubt I'm wrong and some failed the tests.
My analysis is that implementing this feature,and similar ones, will create a canyon between the paying players and the non-paying players.
I'll use myself as an example... I have a decent job but I also have a mortgage. I don't own an xbox or a playstation. Besides Words With Friends (Shhh...don't tell anyone about WWF) I play grep. I don't even pay for cable tv. If the cost to play escalates to the level of this test feature, I'll be done with grep and move on.
We understand the game is a business but non-paying members have a hard time keeping up as it is. These type of improvements widen the gap between the serious players and the recreational players.
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Just my thoughts and opinion
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DeletedUser31385
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I agree, more features like this would widen the gap a lot more. The premium products are fine right where they are.
DeletedUser33530
Guest
well i wouldn't mind going back to what it was lol. Still just let inno get their money as long as they don't make it worse from here.
DeletedUser31385
Guest
I wish we could go back, we are on the edge of the cliff right now and anything else would make us fall off.
DeletedUser
Guest
Agreed!
Signed!!!
These guys are getting so damn greedy and are about to loose A LOT of players very soon
Signed!!!
These guys are getting so damn greedy and are about to loose A LOT of players very soon
DeletedUser49197
Guest
updated... again! This is awesome everyone!
I would like to thank every person who signed this petition, and helped get Inno to listen!!! Thank you grepolis community!
I would like to thank every person who signed this petition, and helped get Inno to listen!!! Thank you grepolis community!
DeletedUser31385
Guest
I am just worried that we will fall over the cliff. It may not be today, tomorrow, or a month from now. It could be a long way from now, but we must prevent it from occurring. We are at this point:
If the money is too heavy (Premium too OP) than the people will be pulled over the edge of this cliff.
If the money is too heavy (Premium too OP) than the people will be pulled over the edge of this cliff.
DeletedUser47238
Guest
Signed.
GL and thank you for putting forth the effort
GL and thank you for putting forth the effort
DeletedUser38464
Guest
Sign me up, I even hate the idea of gold in this game.
DeletedUser
Guest
I agree.
Sign me up.
Sign me up.
DeletedUser19140
Guest
Sign me up for this petition on EN and any grepo servers... This should not happen.
DeletedUser
Guest
Count on me !
DeletedUser
Guest
Add my name to the list please. No further comment as I think everything has already been said.
DeletedUser
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Credits for sammy95, he did the translation:
I have written a response to Jordan's post, sadly I couldn't get it done earlier.
Before I start I would like to thank Jordan for personally taking the trouble to speak to the community and informing us. I hope he can continue to do so in the future.
To me, the description 'quite a lot of negative feedback' seems to be a bit of an understatement. The petition was signed over 600 times on the Dutch forums, over 400 times on the English boards and more than 500 signatures were gathered on the German forums. These numbers add up to around 1500-1600 players supporting the petition. A great many of the supporters are very capable and well-known players, players of whom I am aware that they are already spending a lot of money on this game. Based on what I know, hear and see, I can only draw one conclusion: whether people use no gold, a little or a large amount of gold, whether they are playing on the Dutch, the English or the German servers doesn't matter. Everyone (except a very small group of exceptions) is vehemently against the implementation of these packages.
Therefore, expressions such as 'to fix the issue going forward' won't suffice. We don't want to move forward, not in this way. If it were up to us, the packages would never be introduced in the first place. Not now, not in the future, not slightly modified. We simply don't want them.
Yes, it was undoubtedly only a test. The thing is that such a test on de beta almost automatically means the feature will be implemented on the 'real' worlds within a fairly short timeframe. Our discontent does not stem from the fact that you were using 'arbitrary items' (although the bonus to BP that was on offer was rather ridiculous), we just don't want those packages to be added to the game at all, regardless of contents or pricing.
I will explain what I, personally, perceive to be the issue. This step will allow players to acquire troops directly using real money. Gold trade already made this process more direct, but these 'bundles' would take it a step further still. Adding this feature would also open the path for more 'promotions' of this kind, whether temporary or permanent. In a game like Grepolis, where players are competing, fighting against each other, adding packages of this kind will have a large influence (much more radical than in, say, FoE). Players (some will continue to buy items, no matter the price) will be able to buy their way to the top, without skills, without the need to play actively. This would greatly diminish the enjoyment many people get out of this game, and it would be detrimental to the longevity of Grepolis.
Yes, adding the bundles would be advantageous to InnoGames and an almost negligible number of players in the short term, but keep in mind that de rest of the players (the ones not buying the packages) are being disadvantaged by them. Grepolis is not FoE. This kind of offer will impact the flow of the game and the level of enjoyment, so I am pleased you are going to re-evaluate. By now, however, we know how these kinds of things play out: you will probably change a couple of things here and there and in a couple of months the future will be added anyway. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are vehemently against that.
'An unfortunate coincidence'? Would I be right to deduce from that that you are all just focusing on your own features and adding them as they are finished, without any consultation within the company? An overwhelming majority of players has had more than enough of all these premium functions and we are certainly not eager to accept more of them, when the changes we would like to see just don't seem to happen. So yes, the WWs might be the largest source of irritation, but matters like unresolved bugs, the relatively long (sometimes rather too long) downtime (during updates, for instance), the complete failure of many updates and the unnecessary and annoying adjustments, such as the recent revamp to the market place. Focus on fixing issues like those first.
I would very much hope that this feedback will indeed be used. I want to state once more that the implementation of features of this kind is not beneficial to (the longevity of) Grepolis as a whole, you will alienate a large number of players. Gold users as well. In this case I actually wonder if adding these packages would mean more income for InnoGames. I don't think so, too many players just don't want to see it happen. We disagree heartily with the Pay2Win direction this game has taken and for many of us, this is a step too far. It would be an outrage for you to add this feature despite all of this.
To conclude, I would like to repeat the following requests:
-Develop a new, decent endgame.
-Focus on fixing unresolved bugs.
-Stop changing existing features for the worse (case in point: market place), listen to what the community wants.
Once these conditions are complied with, you could reconsider implementing the warfare packages. Should the majority be in favour of the idea, and by fixing the issues that plague this game I expect you will gather quite a bit of goodwill, you could add them as a feature.
Thanks once more for your response, I look forward to hearing from you again. I am also curious as to the concrete plans and terms at the moment.
Original post: here.
I have written a response to Jordan's post, sadly I couldn't get it done earlier.
Before I start I would like to thank Jordan for personally taking the trouble to speak to the community and informing us. I hope he can continue to do so in the future.
To me, the description 'quite a lot of negative feedback' seems to be a bit of an understatement. The petition was signed over 600 times on the Dutch forums, over 400 times on the English boards and more than 500 signatures were gathered on the German forums. These numbers add up to around 1500-1600 players supporting the petition. A great many of the supporters are very capable and well-known players, players of whom I am aware that they are already spending a lot of money on this game. Based on what I know, hear and see, I can only draw one conclusion: whether people use no gold, a little or a large amount of gold, whether they are playing on the Dutch, the English or the German servers doesn't matter. Everyone (except a very small group of exceptions) is vehemently against the implementation of these packages.
Therefore, expressions such as 'to fix the issue going forward' won't suffice. We don't want to move forward, not in this way. If it were up to us, the packages would never be introduced in the first place. Not now, not in the future, not slightly modified. We simply don't want them.
Yes, it was undoubtedly only a test. The thing is that such a test on de beta almost automatically means the feature will be implemented on the 'real' worlds within a fairly short timeframe. Our discontent does not stem from the fact that you were using 'arbitrary items' (although the bonus to BP that was on offer was rather ridiculous), we just don't want those packages to be added to the game at all, regardless of contents or pricing.
I will explain what I, personally, perceive to be the issue. This step will allow players to acquire troops directly using real money. Gold trade already made this process more direct, but these 'bundles' would take it a step further still. Adding this feature would also open the path for more 'promotions' of this kind, whether temporary or permanent. In a game like Grepolis, where players are competing, fighting against each other, adding packages of this kind will have a large influence (much more radical than in, say, FoE). Players (some will continue to buy items, no matter the price) will be able to buy their way to the top, without skills, without the need to play actively. This would greatly diminish the enjoyment many people get out of this game, and it would be detrimental to the longevity of Grepolis.
Yes, adding the bundles would be advantageous to InnoGames and an almost negligible number of players in the short term, but keep in mind that de rest of the players (the ones not buying the packages) are being disadvantaged by them. Grepolis is not FoE. This kind of offer will impact the flow of the game and the level of enjoyment, so I am pleased you are going to re-evaluate. By now, however, we know how these kinds of things play out: you will probably change a couple of things here and there and in a couple of months the future will be added anyway. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are vehemently against that.
'An unfortunate coincidence'? Would I be right to deduce from that that you are all just focusing on your own features and adding them as they are finished, without any consultation within the company? An overwhelming majority of players has had more than enough of all these premium functions and we are certainly not eager to accept more of them, when the changes we would like to see just don't seem to happen. So yes, the WWs might be the largest source of irritation, but matters like unresolved bugs, the relatively long (sometimes rather too long) downtime (during updates, for instance), the complete failure of many updates and the unnecessary and annoying adjustments, such as the recent revamp to the market place. Focus on fixing issues like those first.
I would very much hope that this feedback will indeed be used. I want to state once more that the implementation of features of this kind is not beneficial to (the longevity of) Grepolis as a whole, you will alienate a large number of players. Gold users as well. In this case I actually wonder if adding these packages would mean more income for InnoGames. I don't think so, too many players just don't want to see it happen. We disagree heartily with the Pay2Win direction this game has taken and for many of us, this is a step too far. It would be an outrage for you to add this feature despite all of this.
To conclude, I would like to repeat the following requests:
-Develop a new, decent endgame.
-Focus on fixing unresolved bugs.
-Stop changing existing features for the worse (case in point: market place), listen to what the community wants.
Once these conditions are complied with, you could reconsider implementing the warfare packages. Should the majority be in favour of the idea, and by fixing the issues that plague this game I expect you will gather quite a bit of goodwill, you could add them as a feature.
Thanks once more for your response, I look forward to hearing from you again. I am also curious as to the concrete plans and terms at the moment.
Original post: here.