If you want to play that way you have to at least take D3ath out since they have yet to impact the war in any way. Furthermore, I was speaking about Alpha directly, but if you want to count the alliances we are close enough with to have joint ops then you can count DF and even DFW if you want even though we are separated by a whole ocean. therefor, the point total is 23,164,816 points with an average of 143,881 and 161 members for DF/DFW/Alpha/AA to Evo's 25,352,458 points, 429,702 average and 59 members. is that really outnumbered? Yes Evo has 102 less members, but they also have 21 more towns, owned by proven, active players while the coalition's (there isn't a better name) members are closer to the rim and less likely to be active since they have less points and have expended less time, effort and in some cases money on the game.